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    Default Re: As if the Senate weren't funny enough . . .

    Like you, I'm suspicious of celebrity politicians. But I think their election generally points more towards systemic problems in how we elect people (money talks) more than celebrity per se as a flaw in a politician.

    I have to disagree with Black n Red on the career politician thing. For one, it spells experience. Two, throwing the bums out gets us what if we haven't changed the way we elect people beholden to corporate and other special interests? A new bum.

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    Well for starters, you might be able to pass some legislation regarding term limits. Hell, if the president can only serve eight years over 2 terms, I can't see why a senator should be entitled to more than 12 years.

    Secondly, if a congressperson is in their last term, they ought not be beholden to anybody....provided that they also pass stringent rules on congresspeople not being allowed to work as lobbyists for an extended period after their time in office ends.

    I know corruption has been a part of politics since this country was first formed but money seems to be holding more sway than ever before. Of course, I've no way of confirming this suspicion but with the fortunes that are being amassed today, I see no way to argue otherwise.
    Your ignorance is painful to witness.....

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    Speaking of money, both parties used this situation up north for major fundraising. I'm also a realist-this is the way politics is and it will always be this way, if not worse.

    The barn door opened a long time ago and the cattle are long gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    But it happens all the time. And think, if Dan Gable were to run for office (which he once contemplated) might you not feel the urge to vote for him?
    Igali ran for office as a member of the Liberal party (in Canada). Didn't win, though.

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    Default Re: As if the Senate weren't funny enough . . .

    Major elections involve raising huge sums of money. Those donations often have strings attached, or at least expectations. Most politicians in major elections have their eye toward the next election, including the need to feed certain expectations. Those who haven't yet been elected also have their eye toward the next election, including the need to gain the support of big donors and their expectations. Also, members of legislative bodies are in an exclusive club and human nature is to do adopt to some extent the rules, the culture, and the views of those around us. In that sense, the legislative bodies tend to support big money expectations. There is also the matter of practicality: aspirations or idealism vs. what you can actually accomplish as a legisator.

    I don't think I've explained this very well, but the junior or senior members members of a legislative body both have to bow to the money machine. Even if you have term limits, the outgoing member is unlikely to change his tune in his last term (see practicality). Besides he may have his eye on a higher office, e.g., House member to Senator (at state or federal level).

    I don't agree that this is how it must always be. It's difficult to change something that is long entrenched, but Ariz and Maine both have public funding of elections, and there are movements along that line around the country. Election reform has also been passed at the federal level (McCain Feingold), although I'm not sure how effective that has been. Election reform is like health care reform: you're going to butt up against some very powerful entrenched interests. That's not to say it can't be accomplished.

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    Default Re: As if the Senate weren't funny enough . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Igali ran for office as a member of the Liberal party (in Canada). Didn't win, though.
    Alas, there evidently just weren't enough wrestlers in his province to swing the election.

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