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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyFan View Post
    [/I]ODH, is this true? I've always heard it's not the case at all. It's the vocal minority of scientists who've been advocating man-made influenced global warming. I've never heard it's even close to a majority.
    Where did you hear this? In my experience it's the vast majority of scientists that believe human activity is contributing to global climate change.
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    http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=36

    Wow, some interesting background on William Happer, if you dare to look.

    I love this part:


    GMI used to restrict its funding sources to private foundations and individual donars to avoid conflict of interest, but in the late nineties, then GMI President Jeffrey Salmon wrote, "when the Institute turned its attention to the science of global warming, it decided it would appeal successfully to industry for financial support." This fall, the Institute received its first-ever grant from a corporate foundation-- the Exxon Education Foundation. (http://web.archive.org/web/200209130...rg/funding.htm)
    According to Media Transparency.org, the Institute received $5,757,803 since 1985 from conservative foundations including the Castle Rock Foundation (Coors), Earhart Foundation, John M. Olin Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation, Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, and the Carthage Foundation

    Almost 6 million bucks over a 20 year period - Gee, what a shock what Happer's position would be......
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    Good find Black. This reminds me of Fox. They talked about the outrage over David Letterman with "womens" groups. It turns out that the one group that they touted was a far right evangelical cadre of goose steppers..

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    Where did you hear this? In my experience it's the vast majority of scientists that believe human activity is contributing to global climate change.
    Flogging,

    I've always heard/read the overall scientific community agrees the earth was/is on a warming trend. However, I've always heard/read it's only a small group of scientists who believe this trend is a result of human activity.

    I googled "majority scientists global warming" and the following article appeared on the front page.

    http://www.infowars.net/articles/aug...807Warming.htm

    http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2...arming-theory/

    http://truthwatch.net/?p=43

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm


    Here are some articles stating a majority do believe it's man-made. Wiki especially sites numerous scientific organizations who support global warming. Again, all three of these were on the first page of my google search.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienti...climate_change

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americ...vey/index.html

    http://www.climatecrisis.net/thescience/


    My conclusion would be that there really is no consensus.

    At the same time, just to be safe, we should be taking measures to reduce polluting the Earth and depleting its resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by washed up wrestler View Post
    Good find Black. This reminds me of Fox. They talked about the outrage over David Letterman with "womens" groups. It turns out that the one group that they touted was a far right evangelical cadre of goose steppers..
    Washed up, don't you think womens groups should have been outraged at Letterman's comments? It's more troubling to me that more womens groups did not come out and support Governor Palin.

    Let's fast forward to 2012 and Malia Obama is about 14 (same age as Willow Palin now). Do you think Letterman would make a joke about Arod knocking up Malia? If so, what do you think the reaction would be? I firmly believe there would be justifiable outrage from the general public and Letterman would be fired much like Imus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyFan View Post
    I've only looked at these article so far but from what I've seen the first 2 both both seem to be editorials and describe the same study. That study was a review of published scientific articles on climate change and could easily be spun to show that papers are 7.5 times more likely to agree with man made climate change as they are to deny it. What the articles do point out is the 48% of the papers surveyed didn't make any claim either way about the cause of climate change. This doesn't show that the authors disagree, just the the cause wasn't relevant to the study the paper is describing.

    The third article just says that hundreds of scientists refute man made global warming but doesn't state who these scientists are or what they study. Either way, 'hundreds' is far from a majority of the field.

    The fourth article doesn't make any claims about the % of scientists who disagree with the man-made theory, just that the opinions of most scientists shouldn't be given much weight because they don't directly study the causes of climate change (which is a reasonable argument). It does have some quotes from scientists that seem to suggest they don't believe in the man-made theory but the article doesn't make any claims about what the majority believe.

    I'm not really trying to argue. We have different perceptions about what the majority of scientists think and I don't think someone can be wrong about what their perception is. I just thought your view was a little odd because I hadn't ever heard it before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black-n-Red View Post
    http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=36

    Wow, some interesting background on William Happer, if you dare to look.

    I love this part:


    GMI used to restrict its funding sources to private foundations and individual donors to avoid conflict of interest, but in the late nineties, then GMI President Jeffrey Salmon wrote, "when the Institute turned its attention to the science of global warming, it decided it would appeal successfully to industry for financial support." This fall, the Institute received its first-ever grant from a corporate foundation-- the Exxon Education Foundation. (http://web.archive.org/web/200209130...rg/funding.htm)
    According to Media Transparency.org, the Institute received $5,757,803 since 1985 from conservative foundations including the Castle Rock Foundation (Coors), Earhart Foundation, John M. Olin Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation, Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, and the Carthage Foundation

    Almost 6 million bucks over a 20 year period - Gee, what a shock what Happer's position would be......
    So do you believe that his statements go against what he really believes? Is he making those comments strictly to get paid? If so is it unreasonable to think that those scientist also interested in funding would speak for man made climate change, or would that only be a one way street? According to others on this board scientist only care about the science and not receiving funding if it comes at the cost of their integrity are they wrong?

    Happer has a reputation to think about as well as his job with Princeton, if he were throwing out lies for a pay day would his job be in Jeopardy along with his credibility in the scientific community?

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    I love the old " a cabal of researchers want to continue to get federal funding" argument!

    Who stands to lose more money? researchers who claim to find the earth is warming when it's really not...

    OR

    Coal companies whose selling of fossil fuels are contributing to the earth is warming but deny it...

    Gee, that cabal of greedy scientists really knows how to keep bilking the federal government of A LOT of money.

    Give me a break.
    Last edited by Black-n-Red; 06-26-2009 at 01:42 PM.
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    Default Re: William Happer on Global Warming

    Quote Originally Posted by Black-n-Red View Post
    I love the old " a cabal of researchers want to continue to get federal funding" argument!

    Who stands to lose more money? researchers who claim to find the earth is warming when it's really not...

    OR

    Coal companies whose selling of fossil fuels are contributing to the earth is warming but deny it...

    Gee, that cabal of greedy scientists really knows how to keep bilking the federal government of A LOT of money.

    Give me a break.
    So you cant answer the question. With this administration scientist who are advocates of man made global warming stand to receive federal funding I would assume, considering that the President and the Congress believe that way. If it plausible that Happer (who seems to be a respected scientist) is saying things to get paid (as you imply) is it no possible that others are as well?

    I also want to say Australia is going against the man made global warming along with the Czech Republic and other countries. Are they on the take too?

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