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    Default Police officer tases 72 year old women

    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31202935/?GT1=43001

    First there was the college student who gave the language the immortal phrase ?Don?t Tase me, bro!? before being zapped by police. Now, there?s the 72-year-old great-grandmother who told a cop, ?Go ahead. Tase me? ? and got what she asked for.

    Kathryn Winkfein was stopped for doing 60 mph in a 45 zone in her pickup truck on a highway near Austin, Texas. After Deputy Chris Bieze finished writing the ticket, he gave it to her and asked her to sign it.

    Winkfein refused. Bieze insisted, saying he would have to arrest her if she didn?t sign the ticket. When she wouldn?t sign, he opened the door to the truck and told her to get out.

    Differing accounts
    This all happened around 2 p.m. on May 11. But it didn?t become news until Winkfein told a local television station that she had been mistreated. The Travis County Constable?s Office alleged that she had been argumentative and profane. She denied the charge, telling a local Fox News reporter, ?I was not argumentative. I was not combative. Every bit of this is a lie.?

    In response, the constable?s office released the dashboard video of the arrest, which shows Winkfein using vulgar language and daring Bieze to use his Taser. According to the time stamp on the dashboard video, it was at least seven minutes from when Bieze told the elderly woman to get out of her truck until he finally hit her with 50,000 volts of low-amperage electricity and she fell screaming to the ground.

    Winkfein has not commented since the video was released. According to the local Fox station, she has hired an attorney.

    When Bieze tells her to get out of her truck, Winkfein says, ?Take me to jail. Go on and take me to jail.?

    ?Step on out,? the officer commands.

    The woman gets out of the truck and walks along the side of the road, close to the fog line separating the shoulder from the traffic lane.

    ?Give me the [expletive] thing and I?ll sign it,? she tells Bieze, but the officer has already told her she is being arrested. When Winkfein strays close to the traffic lane, the officer pushes her onto the shoulder.

    ?You?re gonna shove a 72-year-old woman?? Winkfein yells at him.

    ?If you don?t step back, you?re gonna be Tased,? Bieze says.

    That?s when Winkfein said, ?Go ahead. Tase me.?

    ?I dare you?
    Even then, Bieze did not use the Taser he had out and ready. He attempted to grab her, but Winkfein twisted away.

    ?Step back or you?re gonna be Tased, ma?am,? Bieze says again.

    ?I dare you,? she said.

    Winkfein then decided she was leaving and tried to walk back to her truck.

    ?I?m getting back in my car,? she said.

    ?You?re gonna be Tased,? Bieze said, blocking her path.

    ?I?m getting back in my car,? she insists.

    ?No, ma?am,? he says.

    That?s when he finally fired the Taser and Winkfein went down screaming.

    ?Now put your hands behind your back!? Bieze orders the woman, who has fallen out of the picture. ?Put your hands behind your back, or you?re gonna be Tased again!?

    Bieze finally took Winkfein into custody and charged her with resisting arrest.

    Sgt. Maj. Gary Griffin of the Travis County, Texas, Constable?s Office told NBC News that Bieze acted appropriately.

    ?He mitigated this event safely, effectively and efficiently. Nobody sustained any injury,? Griffin said.
    What do you guys think? At first glance it sounds absolutely terrible. Does your opinion change when you read the article? There is video available at the link as well.
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    Although the use of the taser seems unnecessary, based on the facts presented, I have little sympathy for the woman's position. She refused to sign a ticket properly presented, then apparently resisted a lawful arrest. Generally speaking, she had it coming.

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    Unfortunately I have had the pleasure of signing these ever since I got my license a mere 36 years ago. You don't sign it and the cop will indeed arrest you on the spot.

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    In a controversial taser situation (and there seem to be a lot of them) the question needs to be asked: what alternative action should the police officer have used? When a person resists arrest, regardless of their age, police need to be able to use some sort of force to arrest them. Would other uses of force (wrestling the woman into handcuffs perhaps) be safer or more suitable in this situation?

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    Here in Colorado you do not have to sign the ticket for it to be valid. You are still accountable for the ticket and cost or court date. If that was the case in Travis County the cop should have just told the lady to have a nice day and let her go on her way. The lady should have complied either way, just sign the ticket and fight it in court.

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    Arm-spin - Use of force is always a tricky subject. I had an incident the other day - a ward made a threatening move toward another staff member. He raised is right fist like he was going to deliver a back-hand blow. I drew my pepper spray and warned him. I specifically told him that if he threatened any staff by physical gesture that he was likely to get sprayed. He became very agitated, and while cussing me out he stepped up to within a foot of my chest while raising his right hand with his fist clinched. I stepped back to increase the distance (you really shouldn't spray someone from a foot away) and gave him a very short spray to the face.
    He is now really upset with me for spraying him. He's right, I didn't have to spray him. I could have picked him up and bounced him off the wall a couple of times, but the spray didn't do nearly as much damage and is a LOT easier for me to justify in my report.
    As soon as you go physical the chances are somebody is going to get hurt. When talking stops being effective, chemicals are our 1st alternative. (They won't let us use tasers.)
    Physically putting this woman on the ground, wrestling her arms around behind her, and getting her cuffed up - by himself, since back-up wasn't available - would just about guarentee that someone was hurt. Cuffing somebody that doesn't want to be cuffed is usually a three person job. One controls the head and shoulders, one controls the legs, one puts on the cuffs. Personally, I don't want to kneel on a 72 year-old woman's head while I pull her arms out from under her and around behind her back.
    The taser was designed for exactly this kind of situation. Sure a lot better than a half dozen licks with an expandible baton!

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