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    Default Affirmative Action -still needed or outdated

    I know this thread will likely cause a spirited debate but it is something I have been thinking a lot about lately and to be honest I do not have the answer.

    Is Affirmative Action still needed or is it outdated?

    Our goal as a country I believe is to be a colorblind society so is Affirmative Action causing this goal to be delayed. If not and it is still needed in today's world what milestones are in place to determine how we are working towards this goal. I don't know if this is something that we can put quantative data towards.

    Thoughts? I look forward to reading your responses and hopefully learning some a long the way.

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    Chance, I guess you missed this one. I suppose this would outrage you also? Maybe you can start a thread about what should be done?

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/06...o-escaped-gor/

    South Carolina Republican Compares Michelle Obama to Escaped Gorilla

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    To answer your question Washed up...yes that does piss me off.

    Now do you want to have a conversation on the topic or just throw quotes back and forth from idiots in both parties?

    I don't know what you thought I was trying to do by starting this thread, but it was to have an honest conversation outside of party lines.

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    I see matclone absolutely loving this thread!

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    OK. I don't believe affirmative action works anymore. I don't like it, but at the same time I'm a white male. Life has been easy for me. People don't cross to the other side when I walk down the street. Store managers don't wonder what I'm doing looking around. Cops don't pull me over because I have a car load of white friends.

    I work for one of the most diverse companies in the US. Many mid-level and upper managers are a "rainbow" if you will. However, at the very top it is all white males. You can't tell me that there aren't other folks of color or sex that couldn't do those jobs.

    We'll never live in a color blind society as long as there are ELECTED scumbags like the neanderthal from south carolina. I'm a helluva a lot more concerned about this man then I am about some stupid comedian on late night TV making stupid jokes about a women who is addicted to the glare of the media.

    Sadly, I know this country is full of white racists like the coward at the Holocaust Museum. You can bleat all you want about alleged reverse racism, but that is a mole hill compared to the mountain of hate that is out there from the extremists on the right.

    Michelle Obama related to a gorilla? That is one of the most vile and disgusting things I have ever heard. Doubt he would have said that about Laura Bush.

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    If affirmative action doesn't work anymore then what needs to be done? I don't know answer.

    I do believe that reverse racism exists because I believe every race has racist in them. I agree though that it hasn't been as bad against whites as with other races. That being said if we are just going off of the color of ones skin then the Jews being white have been treated like shit for thousands of years.

    I think we can get to a colorblind society and have made a lot of progress. There are always going to be idiots out there and don't think we can ever get rid of racism completly.

    I wonder if it is more of economic thing these days than a race thing. I realize that a majority of this was caused by racism. But if you look at the success rate(very hard to put a number too) of poor whites, poor hispanics, poor blacks and so on I bet you would find a lot of the same issues.

    I am also beginning to think that it is our politicians both on the right and left that are classifying people in groups to keep them seperate for their own political gain.

    Sorry all to be rambling here but it has been a very long day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    I see matclone absolutely loving this thread!
    I agree. Even though matclone and I disagree on about everything I would be interested to hear his take on this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    If affirmative action doesn't work anymore then what needs to be done? I don't know answer.

    I do believe that reverse racism exists because I believe every race has racist in them. I agree though that it hasn't been as bad against whites as with other races. That being said if we are just going off of the color of ones skin then the Jews being white have been treated like shit for thousands of years.

    I think we can get to a colorblind society and have made a lot of progress. There are always going to be idiots out there and don't think we can ever get rid of racism completly.

    I wonder if it is more of economic thing these days than a race thing. I realize that a majority of this was caused by racism. But if you look at the success rate(very hard to put a number too) of poor whites, poor hispanics, poor blacks and so on I bet you would find a lot of the same issues.

    I am also beginning to think that it is our politicians both on the right and left that are classifying people in groups to keep them seperate for their own political gain.

    Sorry all to be rambling here but it has been a very long day.
    Watching a show about the little rock ? school where 50 years ago they let the black kids in wth National guard escorts .
    They have a 68% failure rate , the few black kids who manage to graduate do so 3-4 grade levels below the white kids . How the hell does THAT happen ?? In all the AP-advanced placement classes -there are 3 black kids -one kid is an 18 year old freshman who is not only failing all classes he is about to be kicked out for unexcused abscences -one of the asst. principals is talking now about how the African american kids enter freshman level civics classes with a third grade reading level-the teachers and administrators at Central have no idea what to do -I am white and grew up piss poor yet made it through college-no dad -no mom -my grandma saved me from DFC-I have no clue as to handle the problem.
    Your tax money goes 65% to education -waste .
    A young girl is speaking about taking AP classes after she has failed them twice .
    The name of this HBO program is Central rock revisited -50 years later .
    Abject failure .

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    I'm not very informed on this subject, but I wonder how much affirmative action is still in practice? I think a lot of it is outdated, but I also believe that a lot of the outdated aspects have been dropped for current policies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    I think we can get to a colorblind society and have made a lot of progress. There are always going to be idiots out there and don't think we can ever get rid of racism completly.
    I agree that we could get a colorblind society, I just don't think that we'll see it in any of our lifetimes. I believe that one of the best ways of working towards a colorblind society is to enact policies that deemphasize the economic and vocational division based on race in our society. For example if a certain ethnic group is notably absent in a certain profession, encouraging admissions of school specializing in that profession to give special consideration to members of that ethnic group into the field which would eventually encourage the next generation to enter said field because there isn't that sort of 'racial barrier' to entering.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    I wonder if it is more of economic thing these days than a race thing. I realize that a majority of this was caused by racism. But if you look at the success rate(very hard to put a number too) of poor whites, poor hispanics, poor blacks and so on I bet you would find a lot of the same issues.
    I agree that it's very likely now more of an economic issue than a race issue.
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