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    Why aren't they all filing for bankruptcy? Why are only the American car manufacturers suffering right now?
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    Because they aren't supporting as many retirees as the American companies.
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    FS, while that might be one of the reasons, I'm sure there are a myriad of other reasons, as well.
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    Do the Japanese have unions ?? I also think they rely upon robotics alot more than we do-and face it -they make a better mousetrap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    Do the Japanese have unions ?? I also think they rely upon robotics alot more than we do-and face it -they make a better mousetrap.
    I think all their north american plants are union, I'm not sure about the plants in Japan (but either way they aren't paying health care costs for their Japanese employees since Japan has universal coverage).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    Why aren't they all filing for bankruptcy? Why are only the American car manufacturers suffering right now?
    All auto manufactureres are suffereing right now. Toyota suffered its first quaterly loss ever. I remeber in hte winter Honda's sales were reported to be off 26% and that was they were the best performing car company.

    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    Do the Japanese have unions ?? I also think they rely upon robotics alot more than we do-and face it -they make a better mousetrap.
    The relying on robotics being an advantage is a myth. US plants are generally more automated than plants in Japan. Robots cost a lot of money and are a sunk cost (you cannot layoff a robot when sales don't meet expectations) so it is not always an advnatage to have lots of robots.

    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    I think all their north american plants are union, I'm not sure about the plants in Japan (but either way they aren't paying health care costs for their Japanese employees since Japan has universal coverage).
    Japan plants are unionized, but the unions are a whole lot weaker than the unions in the US. I agree with Sully that the major diffrence in the larger pool of retirees and the health care costs for them and the current work force. When their market share declined the US automakers had to become smaller, but they cannot do anything about all the retirees that they are still insuring.

    This is what essentailly drove Bethelem Steel to bankruptcy as well. The had reuced their size and were competitve in making steel, but the compnay was so much smaller than they were at their peak. Their retirees outnumber active workers by a factor of something like ten to one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post

    This is what essentailly drove Bethelem Steel to bankruptcy as well. The had reuced their size and were competitve in making steel, but the compnay was so much smaller than they were at their peak. Their retirees outnumber active workers by a factor of something like ten to one.
    It sounds to me like we read the same Malcolm Gladwell article.
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    Maybe because they develop shitty cars? Every American car I bought in the past was vastly inferior to the Honda's that I have driven since.

    Americans will pay for quality. Then again, it's easy to blame those POS union workers and those POS unions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    It sounds to me like we read the same Malcolm Gladwell article.
    No I didn't read it but would be interested in it if you can give a link.
    I lived right outside of Bethelem during the final demise. At their height Beth Steel employed 50,000 in the Lehigh Valley, when I moved there they employed 5,000, when I left about 10 years later they employed 0.

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