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    SAN FRANCISCO – The California Supreme Court upheld a voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage Tuesday, but it also decided that the estimated 18,000 gay couples who tied the knot before the law took effect will stay wed.

    The 6-1 decision written by Chief Justice Ron George rejected an argument by gay rights activists that the ban revised the California constitution's equal protection clause to such a dramatic degree that it first needed the Legislature's approval.

    The court said the people have a right, through the ballot box, to change their constitution.



    Note that this court, which previously declared the ban unconstitutional, came to a different conclusion after the state voters amended the constitution.

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    It's not really surprising, from what I've seen the argument for over-ruling the ban was pretty weak. It'll be back on the ballot in a year or so anyway.

    It still boggles my mind that a simple majority can vote to take away the civil rights of a minority group. I thought there were supposed to be safe-guards against this sort of thing.
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    I still don't see why gay marriage is such a big deal to most people. I hear the religous card played a lot but I don't think it has a lot of merit since you don't have to have a religous ceremony to get married. All marriage is at the government level is a contract between you and the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    It's not really surprising, from what I've seen the argument for over-ruling the ban was pretty weak. It'll be back on the ballot in a year or so anyway.

    It still boggles my mind that a simple majority can vote to take away the civil rights of a minority group. I thought there were supposed to be safe-guards against this sort of thing.
    But gay marriage is no longer recognized as a civil right in Calif. They went through all the procedures--the petition, the ballot, the vote. We could do the same thing nationally (ban gay marriage), by amending the U.S. constitution, but the chances of that happening are virtually nil. As you suggest, it'll probably be another ballot issue in Calif. As I've said, it's just a matter of time now. But for those who wish to be married, that time coudl be too long.

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    I don't think gay marriage is a big deal to most people. It is, however, a big deal to insurance companies that don't want to have to pay health benefits to a gay spouse.

    What better way for insurance companies to avoid paying benefits than to get the masses riled up about gay sex? It's nothing more than a ploy to save big bucks but it's effective because it taps into people's emotional misperceptions rather well.
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    For the insurance cos. to oppose this, there would have to be a demonstrated cost (i.e., that gay partners cost more than non-gay partners). I'm not sure that exists but maybe you've seen something. I sense that most of the oppostion is coming from the religious community, not limited to, but including, those such as James Dobson who get more money from getting the masses riled up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black-n-Red View Post
    I don't think gay marriage is a big deal to most people. It is, however, a big deal to insurance companies that don't want to have to pay health benefits to a gay spouse.

    What better way for insurance companies to avoid paying benefits than to get the masses riled up about gay sex? It's nothing more than a ploy to save big bucks but it's effective because it taps into people's emotional misperceptions rather well.
    You may have a good point there, i have never thought of it from that aspect. However, even now gay couples can get insurance through Domestic partnerships. I had some people working for me that had insurance this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    For the insurance cos. to oppose this, there would have to be a demonstrated cost (i.e., that gay partners cost more than non-gay partners). I'm not sure that exists but maybe you've seen something. I sense that most of the oppostion is coming from the religious community, not limited to, but including, those such as James Dobson who get more money from getting the masses riled up

    I don't think this is necessary. If you can take whatever percentage of the population that gays account for and say that percentage of the population can't get insurance benefits, that's a substantial savings.

    Legally, the insurance companies can fall back on the fact that the marriage is not legally recognized.

    It's not like a homosexual who has their partner being denied benefits will go get a straight partner, instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black-n-Red View Post
    I don't think gay marriage is a big deal to most people. It is, however, a big deal to insurance companies that don't want to have to pay health benefits to a gay spouse.
    I doubt insurance companies really care either way, if 2 people get married they can get on the same insurance plan which would require more coverage, but it'll cost more to get that additional coverage. Insurance companies aren't loseing money due to heterosexual marriage, I don't see why they would with homosexual marriage.

    Companies that provide their employees with coverage might take a hit to their bottom line, and there would probably be issues with thing like pensions and social security, but insurance companies aren't going to see much difference.
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