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    There is both individual and group (employer-based) health insurance. The insurance company will charge more, either way, to the individual or employer if a spouse is covered. I don't think the insurance company is concerned whether they cover more spouses (for they are getting more money) but rather about the pool of people that it bases its rates on. They try to avoid picking up the unhealthy. Unless gays are more unhealthy than the general population (some will say so, but I'm not sure it is signficant), then they should have no objection to taking on more spouses. An employer who self-funds coverage may have some concern about picking up more spouses, but if the gay population is 3% (a figure that makes sense to me) and the married gay population is some subset of this, the cost, again, may not be significant.

    RYou understands this number stuff, and he may have more to add.

    I used to work for an insurance company, and under their self-funded plan they covered "domestic partners". I think this is a fairly common practice amongst large corps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    I still don't see why gay marriage is such a big deal to most people. I hear the religous card played a lot but I don't think it has a lot of merit since you don't have to have a religous ceremony to get married. All marriage is at the government level is a contract between you and the state.
    If this is the way things stay, fine. However, there is a lot of push to force clergy to perform gay marriage. I don't agree with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhippetGrappler View Post
    If this is the way things stay, fine. However, there is a lot of push to force clergy to perform gay marriage. I don't agree with that.
    I agree 100% and the churches have a right to say who they will an will not marry based on their belief system but I also believe if a church is willing to marry a gay couple then they should be able to.

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    What choice did the CA SC have. They did what they had to do. They did state that all of the marriages done before the amendment were still valid which was cool of them. I am sure an amendment will be on the ballot in the next election to overturn Prop 8. In the mean time gay and lesbian couples can fill out powers of attorney for some of the issues they want to be resolved.

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    Not the same thing as being married, but you can toss them a bone and say they should be grateful for what they have.

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    As previously stated I am not against gay marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhippetGrappler View Post
    If this is the way things stay, fine. However, there is a lot of push to force clergy to perform gay marriage. I don't agree with that.
    I agree that the government has no right to tell the chuch how it must define marriage; but likewise, the church has no right to tell the government how it may define marriage. Religious arguments against gay civil marriage have no place and no validity.
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    We debated this issue on the other board months ago. I've never quite understood how gay marriage is a "civil right". I've also read/heard from several African Americans who are insulted when others suggest gay marriage is a civil right. I understand African Americans' fight for civil rights much better than I do gay marriage.

    At one point, I tried to equate gay marriage to polygamy and received several rebukes. I think homosexuals' desire to have their relationship legitimized by the government is very similar to polygamists' desire to have their relationship(s) legitimized by the government. Some folks told me I simply didn't "get it" if I thought polygamy and homosexuality were even remotely similar. I really don't "get it" I guess, because I don't see a huge difference.

    All that said, I really don't have a problem with a state legally marrying two gay people. I really don't understand the vehemence exhibited by either side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyFan View Post
    We debated this issue on the other board months ago. I've never quite understood how gay marriage is a "civil right".
    It's not in California and in most states. So it's curious you are taking offense at something that exists in a very few states. As for the concept, it's premised on the idea that your sexual orientation is an immutable characteristic--like your race, religion (what you are born into), and gender, and that people should not be denied the privileges of society that other people have on this basis.

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    I've also read/heard from several African Americans who are insulted when others suggest gay marriage is a civil right.
    So what? Let them be offended. Your subtle implication that all African Americans (that great monolith) think this way is obviously false.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyFan
    I understand African Americans' fight for civil rights much better than I do gay marriage.
    It was certainly before your time, but a great number of people had a hard time understanding the concept of civil rights. In fact, I'd argue the political resistance to civil rights dwarfed anything we've seen or will see with respect to gay rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyFan
    At one point, I tried to equate gay marriage to polygamy and received several rebukes. I think homosexuals' desire to have their relationship legitimized by the government is very similar to polygamists' desire to have their relationship(s) legitimized by the government. Some folks told me I simply didn't "get it" if I thought polygamy and homosexuality were even remotely similar. I really don't "get it" I guess, because I don't see a huge difference.
    One is an immutable characteristic. The other is not. Are you in favor of allowing polygamy (in which case, why?), or do you just generally find it distasteful that gays would assert their right to marriage?

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    All that said, I really don't have a problem with a state legally marrying two gay people. I really don't understand the vehemence exhibited by either side.
    If it affected you, as in your right to marry, and to marry the person of your choice, I'm sure you would better understand. For opponents, it is a challenge to some long-held traditions.

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