Brett Favre

p-jersey · 07-15-2008, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan

NFC Championships game: 19-35, 236 yards, 2 TD's, 2 INT's.

He actually played a pretty good game, especially considering the weather.

I do more than read a stat line to judge someones performance. He had some awful throws, and had some costly turnovers, including the end of the game.

Trusty · 07-15-2008, 03:36 PM

Mr. Gage tells me, last night on NFL Network they were talking about Farve and Tampa?

Adolf Oliverbush · 07-15-2008, 05:15 PM

An argument that holds little water, since Brett Favre actually DOES have a Super Bowl victory as well as the stats. There are no holes in his resume.

I would have compared him to John Elway, but I didn't want to pile on, since #7 has twice as many SupeBowls as Favre, including a head to head win in the Big game. And besides, Elway knew to stay retired once he did hang it up and didn't try to selfishly come back.

Another ridiculous argument, because Joe Montana retired years and years ago, while Favre was playing at an elite level just last season, and in the position that he wants right now. He retired and then unretired in less then 2 months. No games have been played. Aaron Rodgers has done nothing to TAKE his starting position. Rodgers was the PRESUMPTIVE starter because Favre was retired. Rodgers was there next best option. Now their best option has changed his mind, and wants his position back. Did the Bulls make Michael Jordan try out for them when he unretired? No.

Your point was that Favre earned the right to unretire and come back as the number 1 quarterback, silly as that may be. My example should show you just how silly it is. At least cite that he can be a good player in the league as your reason, not what he accomplished years and years ago.

And Aaron Rodgers did do something to be the number 1 guy, he stuck it out as #2, something Favre can't seem to do, and he is now being rewarded since Favre abandoned the team. And your comparson to Jordan is laughable. Jordan actually won 6 world titles, olympic gold, a college national title, etc. Favre won 1 title in 16 years and you want him to be treated like Jordan? Favre couldn't beat Eli Manning at home last year with everything on the line.

Zapp Brannigan · 07-15-2008, 05:59 PM

So your thought is that Aaron Rodgers doing nothing but waiting has earned him the Packers starting spot moreso then BRett Favre's awesome performance last season?

Selfishly come back? Of course there's elements of selfishness. Do you keep the greater share of profits in your own company because of your generosity? No. When it comes to this situation, it's Brett Favre's career. At a certain point, he will literally be unable to ever play at that level again, but that time has not yet arrived.

I also love how you are arbitrarily defining the rule about who can come back and who can not. Basically, it's Jordan, and that's the list. If John Elway had changed his mind after retiring, you feel that the Bronco's should have said no? Of course not. Favre tried to give the Packers an out, and they haven't taken it. Now they're going to get into a PR war with one of the most popular players ever, and the most popular figure in Packers history. Very intelligent business decision.

The Big Stiffy · 07-15-2008, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by p-jersey

I do more than read a stat line to judge someones performance. He had some awful throws, and had some costly turnovers, including the end of the game.

Keep in mind he was playing the same Giants defense that shut down the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

Adolf Oliverbush · 07-15-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan

So your thought is that Aaron Rodgers doing nothing but waiting has earned him the Packers starting spot moreso then BRett Favre's awesome performance last season?

Selfishly come back? Of course there's elements of selfishness. Do you keep the greater share of profits in your own company because of your generosity? No. When it comes to this situation, it's Brett Favre's career. At a certain point, he will literally be unable to ever play at that level again, but that time has not yet arrived.

I also love how you are arbitrarily defining the rule about who can come back and who can not. Basically, it's Jordan, and that's the list. If John Elway had changed his mind after retiring, you feel that the Bronco's should have said no? Of course not. Favre tried to give the Packers an out, and they haven't taken it. Now they're going to get into a PR war with one of the most popular players ever, and the most popular figure in Packers history. Very intelligent business decision.

If you go by last season, Bret Favre is your starter, end of discussion. I agree with you 100%. If Favre retires, however, he is no longer in the discussion. What he did last season is of no consequence, he's retired. He's an aging player who has sustained some injuries and who last was beaten on his home turf in a playoff game. When's the last time that happened? Once upon a time Green Bay didn't use to lose home playoff games in the snow. Favre wants to join the Green Bay Packers and they already have a starter. I'm not sure what's so difficult about that to understand.

I didn't bring up Jordan, you did. All I did was point out how ridiculous the comparison is to him. Jordan actually leads his team to Championships. Favre last I knew was blowing home field advantage to another divisions runner up team.

If Elway wanted to come back, bad knees and all, I would imagine that an evaluation would have to take place in order to see if he can still compete. I wouldn't think that it would be guaranteed that he could stick around forever. Hell, even Joe Montana was run out of town when he was no longer viewed as the teams best option. This is NFL football, keep that in mind.

Zapp Brannigan · 07-15-2008, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush

If you go by last season, Bret Favre is your starter, end of discussion. I agree with you 100%. If Favre retires, however, he is no longer in the discussion. What he did last season is of no consequence, he's retired.

I'll ignore the rest of the strawmen arguments that both you and I have been throwing up, and go at this, because this is the salient point of the discussion. There is some severe cognitive dissonance going on in your head. You would have a point if Favre tried to come back after NEXT season. But here, he retired, and then, before training camp even begins, changes his mind. Therefore, what he did last season REMAINS relevant. Nothing physically has changed since he retired. He is a few months removed from one of the great seasons in his historic career. If he had retired, and the try to come back midseason, I would agree with you. Hell, if he had tried to come back after training camp, I would agree with you. But given the fact that he is changing his mind WELL before training camp even begins, his performance last season (as well as his career and lack of injuries) has EARNED him the starting position. Aaron Rodgers has not started one game. The role "starter" was bestowed upon him after Favre retired. He has not won a game as a starter, he has done nothing as the starter. It was transferred to him in name, not yet in deed. In action, Favre was the last starting QB of the Packers, and he wants that position to continue to be his.

RYou · 07-15-2008, 08:55 PM

I think if farve had been offered a broadcasting job, he wouldn't be wanting to come back. But he wasn't so he is.

Last season proved he still has the ability. But he is a tad old. The body isn't as resilient as it was 5 years ago, never mind 12 years ago. His reaction time is not what it used to be.

These D boys are mean dudes. I just hope that O line holds up, because if it doesn't Mr. Farve is not going to being so well come November. In this game, the ability to juke a hit in a split second is the difference in walking away and getting concussed, or having your knee shredded.

If GB has an off year he's gonna wish he went ice fishing.

Flop The Nuts · 07-15-2008, 11:42 PM

How is Favre screwing the Packers by wanting to come back?

If they they think he is not good enough to be their starter, then cut him. If they think he is the guy to start for them this year, then bring him back.

Adolf Oliverbush · 07-16-2008, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts

How is Favre screwing the Packers by wanting to come back?

If they they think he is not good enough to be their starter, then cut him. If they think he is the guy to start for them this year, then bring him back.

By that logic, should all NFL teams cut their number 2 quarterback, given they aren't good enough to be their starter? Persoanlly I'd love to see Favre as the 2 guy in Green Bay and if he's able to win the job and be the starter, even better.

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