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    That list is from '94. That is why no consideration for Maddux, Clemens, or Pedro.

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    We're all entitled to an opinion, especially on this very subjective question. Btw, I'd place Seaver over Ryan.

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    This only gripe I have with Seaver's list is that the top five were all early in the century.
    I think Spahn is the first guy that drops off the list. I replace him with Pedro over the "not yet proved to be a doper" Clemens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    To add to ODH's excellent bio on Gibson:

    He grew up in Omaha and went to Creighton Univ. where he also played basketball.
    In contrast to many of today's pitchers (fat), he was clearly a superior athlete, standing about 6-3 and 195. He was widely known as a fierce competitor, and he was known to occasionally pitch "a little inside" if the situation warranted it. Roberto Clemente hit a line drive that broke his tibia or fibula around 1972 or so.

    My subjective impression from from listening to many games from that era, was that it seemed that after runners were on base, Gibson could and would often strike out the side.
    More on Gibson kicking ass in the World Series from the same source:

    Gibson won the clinchers in both the 1964 and 1967 Series. In Game Two of the 1964 Series against the Yankees, he lost 8-3 but kept it close until he was knocked out in the ninth inning. He won Game Five 5-2 in ten innings, taking a shutout into the ninth. Coming back on two days' rest for Game Seven, he won 7-5.

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    From wikipedia, about Gibson:

    Gibson was known for pitching inside to batters. Dusty Baker received the following advice from Hank Aaron about facing Gibson:
    "'Don't dig in against Bob Gibson, he'll knock you down. He'd knock down his own grandmother if she dared to challenge him. Don't stare at him, don't smile at him, don't talk to him. He doesn't like it. If you happen to hit a home run, don't run too slow, don't run too fast. If you happen to want to celebrate, get in the tunnel first. And if he hits you, don't charge the mound, because he's a Gold Glove boxer.' I'm like, 'Damn, what about my 17-game hitting streak?' That was the night it ended." [1]

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    Gibson's whole attitude toward his game, reminds me of the attitude of a certain wrestler who grew up in Waterloo, Iowa.

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    Gibson was told to give a free pass. He hit the batter with the first pitch. When asked later why, he said he didn't want to waste the other three pitches.
    Having watched Ryan a lot when he was with the Angels, I always have to wonder what he would have done with support.
    All in all, though, I have to give my vote to the Big Train, Walter Johnson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    We're all entitled to an opinion, especially on this very subjective question. Btw, I'd place Seaver over Ryan.
    As would I, Seaver is one of the more underrated players of all time.
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    I can't speak accurately for the guys that I haven't seen, but in my lifetime its gotta be Pedro. For like a three or four year span, he had that something about him where you had to watch every start. You felt like you were going to miss a great game if you didn't. Clemens has the number and awards, but disappeared in October. If I had to win a big game Pedro's the guy.

    Historically, from what I've read no one threw harder than Walter Johnson. Then if you want to talk about sports unbeatable records, just look at Cy Young's number. Granted it's a different game now, but 511 wins!!!!
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