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[furches]

I left a comment after giving Champ positive karma for a comment he made that I strongly agreed with. I meant to say you have issues with me, I left out the me part, sorry about that. Didn’t mean you had issues as you are presenting it, if you took it wrong, and can see how you would have after reviewing the positive Karma I left you, am sorry about that.

Here is a quote of the karma comment; sorry I didn’t proof it before hitting the post button.

“totally agree, even though we disagree and you have issues it seems, you are right on the money here”

[sgallan]

You have my heartfelt condolences.

[r.payton@att.net]

Originally Posted by furches I left a comment after giving Champ positive karma for a comment he made that I strongly agreed with. I meant to say you have issues with me, I left out the me part, sorry about that. Didn’t mean you had issues as you are presenting it, if you took it wrong, and can see how you would have after reviewing the positive Karma I left you, am sorry about that. Here is a quote of the karma comment; sorry I didn’t proof it before hitting the post button. “totally agree, even though we disagree and you have issues it seems, you are right on the money here”

What positive Karma were you giving me when you red dotted me and told me to s..k your d..k?

[quick_single]

you probably deserved it.

[furches]

Originally Posted by quick_single you probably deserved it.

Others can decide, but they will especially like to know of the view some have, and hopefully the time line is in order and folks can see or at least get an idea of what caused me to respond to R-Payton in this way. Am posting this, then getting some rest, will respond accordingly if need be, but folks can likely contact some of the moderators who have seen these postings, deleted some of them and many others that R-Payton had left. I guess there is a way they can recall some of those up if they want to, I am fully confident that they will affirm my comments and thoughts here as they are presented.

Here goes:

Well let's see there payton, I have never left you positive karma, of course when you made your willing anti-Semite comments on the Anne Frank thread, some time ago now, then responded with personal attacks against me and my son and told a number of us what to suck, I returned your comment and favor. It is funny, how some can remember part of the truth but not the whole truth, I am sure the moderators here will remember the whole truth though and will see if they want to respond on their own, if not, I will be glad to go into detail. I will also note, I had said nothing negative other than to question the validity of the post when you came back immediately with your personal and negative comments.

Now as to some of your recent comments, and so forth, here goes. I have helped make it appropriate for forum rules, but folks can figure the language out.

R-Payton – Let’s see who you talking about here:

R- Payton - What is up with the Sling Blade guy ? I can't come riding to your rescue but I have a nice .308 with a scope you can count c**t hairs with -need any help ?

Me - Here is another one, it is a shame where you belong to a forum where you have the view you express here of the majority of posters,

R-Payton - Are you OK , CK ? Don't make me worry about you while I'm laying in the hospital . If it's someone on the board fu*k them -when I first started on this board I mentioned that'' Anne Frank '' had been written by more than one person and got ''RED'thinged to death , then i told everyone to suck my di*k and left .Schlottke talked me into coming back -most of these people are stupid mother fu*kers . they know a little about wrestling and alot about nothing

Me - Yep I did it, but did it in private, which is more than you were willing to do with your comments. Also note from your own words above, I made the comment back to you after you had made some of your personal comments against me and family, other members like Jensen and Spider, and then used the comments you made above. Of course this has been some time ago, but your own words seem to verify my points on this.

Again your words and thoughts about me, and other members of these forums which were posted after your negative comments and telling others what to do:

R-Payton - That is the guy who told me to suck his di*k -I even pointed it out to Jensen but that dweeb did nothing.

Me - At least on this one you get the facts sort of straight, everyone was calling you an anti-Semite. As to it being for something you read, others can look up the thread, or maybe one of the moderators can pull up the comments that were deleted. You also give mention of the thread where you got pissed at me for responding just like others did, the thread folks can look up, again, much of it deleted is at, ''Photo gives face to....''

R-Payton - He red dotted me on that Anne Frank thing when everyone was calling me an anti-semite for saying something that I had read -he called me an idiot then told me to suck his di*k . The second part of the DIARY was written in ball point pen which wasn't created til the 50's


Me - As to your last comment, yes I did start the one thread after reading your post. Out of respect I didn’t post on it, but I think it was CTC who asked a question or made a point about Adam and Eve, I wanted to respect your request to not pray for you or bring up God. I do think the thread is totally different and if we can’t be spurned on by each other to start and talk up appropriate things from what we read on the forums, this would be a pretty boring forum and message board. As to what kind of preacher I am, I have tried to answer that one many times., and for some that don’t sink in, I am okay with that, but at least I am up front real and honest, and yes by the way, some may be aware that many preachers, especially in urban cultures are responding accordingly to certain things now. I will say again, I was simply responding to your comments, attacks and so forth which I have tried to support here, even with your own words, but will let folks make up their own minds there.

R-Payton - I have saved all the red dots I received , if I knew how I would send the post to you -his post about Adam and Eve and suffering I believe to be a reference to moi-but I hurt to much to care what that turd thinks -what kind of preacher tells a man to suck his di*k ? Not a very good one.

On the Anne Frank thing, it wasn't just something you had read, but denied the historical accuracy of. There is a difference, I read a lot of things, but don't promote all of the ideas and concepts as I am certain there really are dragons in some closets.

On calling you an idiot, I am not denying it but neither am I affirming it, (I simply don't remember and with what I did say this would be the least offensive,) truth is, I never left Karma on it but I did leave negative Karma and called you a prick, of course that was leaving 2 karma comments within 10 minutes of each other on March 7 early afternoon (the only two times I have ever left a Karma comment for you.) I did this when you were going away, blasting and making negative comments. Actually Jensen saw what was going on and asked me to ignore you, which up until now I have done. It is you that seems to have issue with people calling you to task in the same way you call others to task. You also seem to have long grudges, sad thing is, I was far from the only one who left you negative in that situation, am far from the only one who called you out, but you took the comments from me personally.

Last note for the preacher comment: The term and way many of us view "preacher", "pastor" and so forth is not a real justice to the word in the Greek. A more common term, one which I like could be "teacher," and/or "coach." After being a mental health professional and working with disadvantaged people in a "non religious" setting for most of my life, I tend to like coach, and will let my actions for the poor, disadvantaged, and some on these forums be the primary example of how I am judged. Do I, or have I made mistakes? Yep! I won't deny it, but neither do I choose to, or want to be, anything like the "preachers" most people are accustomed to. That isn't who I am called to, and thankfully there is evidence that I have done a few good things with people who aren't religious in a positive way. Heck with all of my piercings, tatoos, very long hair now, and other things, I would have thought people would know I am nothing like a "regular" preacher.

[Schlottke]

This is another time I wish I had a magic word to make everyone get along.. lol

I know that can't happen all the time, but let's let the reputation comments stuff go.

[r.payton@att.net]

I am in so much pain I can hardly see -I go in for my surgery tomorrow and I haven't had pain meds for a coupla days -I'll calm down but Damn - what is your problem Furches ? You pick on my friend and now this -I am so tired and hurt and mad I can;t even see the screen anymore -if you want to pray -pray I die tomorrow -I am .

[Schlottke]

Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net I am in so much pain I can hardly see -I go in for my surgery tomorrow and I haven't had pain meds for a coupla days -I'll calm down but Damn - what is your problem Furches ? You pick on my friend and now this -I am so tired and hurt and mad I can;t even see the screen anymore -if you want to pray -pray I die tomorrow -I am .

We'll be here when you get back, hang in there.

[furches]

I honestly did not intend to pick on Champ, in fact, I agree with most everything Champ posts, there was a time we got a long, I don't know why we don't now. Would like to know, would like to work things out, privately as I don't think forums need these soap operas. I left a positive feedback for Champ and made a mistake in my wording, (Yes I made a mistake) and left "with me" out, I have apologized for that publically. I actually agree strongly with what he stated in the coaches dressing up thread and thought that was obvious from what I posted on the forum.

Payton, I live in a world where I would prefer to get along, I have enough crap I have to deal with between my one of 3 jobs, you can even ask Chenoweth that, I am in physical altercations on a regular basis with 10-22 year olds now which can beat the crap out of me and all I can do is try to do a MAB or "safe hold" on them. Believe me I don't like those altercations either, but am not afraid to enter the frey when I need be. That doesn't mean there isn't stress though, and frankly I hate the stress of conflict, although I am doing somewhat better.

I will admit, I will say what I think, good and bad, but often times that is mixed. For example, I have been thinking of you and your surgery, I have some idea how much that sucks and wish that on no one. I really do wish you the best. It was out of respect that I didn't post on the thread you started but there seems to have been some idea I posted the thread on Adam and Eve to get even or something. I honestly don't know where that comes from. I tend to agree with much of the political, and yes, even religious stuff you post, but have tried to stay away from any controversy with you. I am perplexed when I make a positive comment though, leave positive karma and then someone takes what I said wrong. Again, I understand why, it is admirable that a friend would stand up for a friend, but with me admitting the things I have said, with me admitting I made a mistake, I don't know what else to do. I will say to the forum moderators, if a positive comment can be taken this way, how bad do people receive a negative comment. I must also remind, I didn't start this thread, but felt it nessecary to clear things up which I tried to do with an apology to Champ, and then I get blasted after that.

As to my desire, my prayer, in all honesty I know you don't want them, but they are still that the surgery goes great, you are out of pain, and that you have total joy in life. I hope you do stay strong and come back strong, there is no single person deserving of the pain you are going through, I hope the docs and surgery comes out perfect.

Bottom line, I'm willing to let things go, wish you the best and move on from there. Hope all goes well, and that you are soon out of the physical pain.

[r.payton@att.net]

I taught 'continuation'' school in California -me and a bunch of Gang bangers from crips to blods to AB[aryan brotherhood ' to the Vietnamese gangs . so i can understand about a job hoping you'll see tomorrow.