My disappointment with veterinary medicine surmounts that of human

Big · 01-08-2008, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Wiltz

Big, you have it all wrong you don't need club or breeder affiliation to see a dog. Only if you do it for a living. They want to make sure living conditions, shots and ECT... Are all up to standards. Heck any newspaper in Iowa has a section with dogs for sale. Not all of them are breeders or belong to a club. You can get a great dog from all sorts of places not just puppy mills.

Well if you are selling 10 puppies, how do you prove you don't do it for a living? Sure, there might be a section with dogs for sale but is it a section of ADULT dogs for sale or something like a resale of owners that changed their minds or a section of puppies for sale from a mother-dog?

I can bet a sale of 10 boxer puppies would be illegal without a club affiliation.

Big · 01-08-2008, 07:52 PM

They want to make sure living conditions, shots and ECT... Are all up to standards.

That is all crap! Any dog owner that can sell his puppies for good money would ensure the puppies are healthy so they can sell them and present all the proper papers to the buyers.

Big · 01-08-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts

Castration just screws up their hormones and drive to stay in shape and overall reason to live a long time

Well, the real question is, how do you make a hormone?

Exactly! Sperm production in dogs also affects their brains and their brains regulate their bodies completely differently based on whether they have their testicles or not.

bluestater · 01-08-2008, 08:46 PM

Big, purebred dogs quite often have a lengthy set of health problems because of a lack of a genetic pool. Not all breeds, but quite a few. I have not, and will not ever, get a dog from a breeder. There are way too many dogs at shelters and rescues who need homes. If you're looking for a specific type of dog, you can often find it at a rescue center.

Fixing dogs usually adds to their health, not detracts from it. You're speaking from your experience with two dogs, and quite honestly, your dog had a good lifespan for a dog of its size. I understand that you're upset, but unfortunately, dogs die, and it sucks. It's not the system's fault, it's not your fault, it's no one's fault.

hardcore · 01-08-2008, 09:01 PM

I am with Bluestater on this issue. There are so many loving animals waiting for adoption at shelters. We have 6 rescued pets as part of our family (2 dogs and 4 cats) and I could not ask for any better animals. Each is unique and loving in its own special way.
Big, I am sorry for your loss. Hang tough and when the time is right open that heart of yours to another pet that is out there waiting for your love.

Stardust · 01-08-2008, 09:28 PM

every pet I've ever had has come from a rescue shelter of some sort. My aunt has adopted 3 dachsunds from the Humane Society in the last 5-8 years and they have been great to deal with.

M Richardson · 01-08-2008, 10:27 PM

I used to raise bulldogs - but over the last 35 years or so all of my dogs have been "rescued". The current pair - grayhounds - were racing dogs that would have been destroyed. They are amazing dogs! Giant couch potatoes who get by nicely with a daily walk.

Big · 01-08-2008, 10:32 PM

Unless I am ever a millionaire I will never get another dog in America. I am not like most of you guys with regard to dogs because I don't take a dog to be my pet but my friend. I cannot let my friend die at the first sign of trouble and I cannot afford paying thousands of dollars for the treatment that is often pointless.

Many of you have a few dogs and other animals and you can just get new ones when they expire so to speak. I can't do that.

This is not a religious section but this is probably the difference between what the Bible says about animals serving humans and what an atheist thinks of a dog being your buddy.

I don't agree with the castration issue either. A dog should be able to make puppies his whole life and the owner should be able to freely sell them!

bluestater · 01-08-2008, 11:52 PM

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess we're all heartless, cruel people. I remember another thread where we all showed our sympathy and said that we have all been through similar pain, but apparently, that doesn't matter to you. You're not the only one who lost a friend when you lost a dog. I understand you're in pain, but there is no need to attack us because we don't agree with you.

As I said before, looking for blame in your dog's death is going to be fruitless. Dogs have short life spans - 10-15 years on average. (Though I'm sure, in Russia, they live to 500.) Choosing a dog to be your friend is really setting yourself up for heartbreak, because no matter how much money or time is thrown at the dog's problems, they will still die. If you choose not to own another dog because that is a tough reality to face, then don't get another dog. There is nothing wrong with that. Both my grandmother and father have made those decisions after losing their beloved dogs. But don't blame it on America, the vets, the Bible or us.

Stardust · 01-08-2008, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by bluestater

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess we're all heartless, cruel people. I remember another thread where we all showed our sympathy and said that we have all been through similar pain, but apparently, that doesn't matter to you. You're not the only one who lost a friend when you lost a dog. I understand you're in pain, but there is no need to attack us because we don't agree with you.

As I said before, looking for blame in your dog's death is going to be fruitless. Dogs have short life spans - 10-15 years on average. (Though I'm sure, in Russia, they live to 500.) Choosing a dog to be your friend is really setting yourself up for heartbreak, because no matter how much money or time is thrown at the dog's problems, they will still die. If you choose not to own another dog because that is a tough reality to face, then don't get another dog. There is nothing wrong with that. Both my grandmother and father have made those decisions after losing their beloved dogs. But don't blame it on America, the vets, the Bible or us.

well done. You always seem to be able to express exactly what I'm thinking, but waayyy more clearly than I ever could

Big, it's obnoxious of you to assume that just because some of us have multiple pets that we just toss them out to exchange them for new ones like a used pair of gloves. That's just asinine, even for you.

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