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    I hope all of our Nebraska brothers are safe and sound.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22116784/

    What is it with these young people who feel the need to take people with them, or "go out in style" as this gunman is reported to have written in his suicide note?

    That so many young people make the choice that suicide is the only way to deal with their problems is very sad. But when they find the need to torture others and spread their own misery by taking other lives takes this problem to a whole different level.

    I pray for the family and friends of those affected by this tragedy.

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    I surmise a function of society - violant tv shows, movies, video games and the resulting national media attention
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    I don't buy that. My dad tells stories of violence in general in the games the kids played when he grew up in the 50's and 60's. Spankings and corporal punishment was the norm both at home and at school. My mom still has the paddle she used to use on kids when she first started teaching. Now that's violence. I think blaming TV, movies and video games is an easy way out.

    I wonder if some of it has to do with the way many of the youth in our society are coddled from an early age. Teachers aren't allowed to use red pens to point out errors in school. They don't keep score in little league and everyone plays, no matter how bad they are, and they all get a trophy. The adults in their lives are so scared of not being politically correct, or hurting the kid's feelings, that they just keep telling the kid that if he/she tries his/her best that, that is all that matters. We take dodgeball out of gym class because some kids get picked last, or feel targeted because they don't catch or throw very well. Coaches get fired at schools for yelling at the kids and imposing punishment for failure to do what you're told.
    Then these kids get put into the real world, where if they aren't cutting it they get fired from their job. Their college professor gives them a failing grade and is bluntly honest about their inability to use inductive reasoning, or use proper grammar and spelling. For the first time in their young lives they are faced with the real reality that sometimes they might fail. The reality that sometimes even trying their best isn't going to be good enough.

    Maybe all of this coddling of the kids is not preparing them for the real world. Maybe it's setting them up to be crushed when they're first faced with failure.

    I don't know, but I'm glad my dad teased me about some of my dumb habits. I'm glad he made me run laps for not paying attention at soccer practice at age 6. I'm glad he gave me a spanking for doing things I knew were wrong. I'm glad he was blunt and honest with me about what I needed to do better, no matter the topic or skill. I'm glad I got cut from a travel baseball team at age 10 so that I knew what it was like to want something and work for it and still come up short. Because it made me work harder so that the following year I made it. I think many of these kids are sissies who take the cowards way out of life when they take their own and some others with it. Maybe by being so soft on them when they're young, we're making them unable to summon courage when it's needed.

    Sorry for the rant.....I may think differently in the morning.
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    I don't agree with blaming movies, TV, or music for causing violent behavior necessarily. And I hate when social conservatives play Chicken Little about our moral decay.

    Having said that, I think part of the blame lies with the obsession with celebrity that is prevalent right now in our culture, which leads people to do pretty much anything to get their 15 minutes of fame, whether it's eating bugs on a reality television show, baring their most embarrassing and intimate life details on a talk show, or feeling the need to make a statement with their suicide attempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhawk View Post
    I don't agree with blaming movies, TV, or music for causing violent behavior necessarily. And I hate when social conservatives play Chicken Little about our moral decay.

    Having said that, I think part of the blame lies with the obsession with celebrity that is prevalent right now in our culture, which leads people to do pretty much anything to get their 15 minutes of fame, whether it's eating bugs on a reality television show, baring their most embarrassing and intimate life details on a talk show, or feeling the need to make a statement with their suicide attempt.
    Agree.

    On a side bar, I am going through this boys town training right now and obviously the guy doing the training is from Omaha, was getting phone calls all day yesterday as someone he knew was at the mall when it was all going down. I guess the first call came to him from the mall when the shootings started. Crazy world we live in and what a sucky way to get celebrity, especially when the shooter will never experience it.
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    Just heard on NPR that six of the eight victims of this madness were Von Maur employees, ranging in age from 24 to in their sixties. Five of the victims were women. The report also said this was the single-worst modern-day mass killing in Nebraska... surpassing the death toll at the US Bank holdup at Norfolk a few years ago.

    My heart and prayers go out to the victims of this senseless, horrific act.
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