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    Default The South Korean shooter was very troubled BUT

    I think Virginia Tech clearly failed him.

    He was a very troubled, anti-social South Korean kid. They put him in a dorm with All American type of rich white kids. I do not rule out laughs and abusive jokes about him on a daily basis. He left a note saying: "You caused me to do this".


    He had absolutely no friends and was ignored by teachers and classmates.

    Its really not so hard to understand that the kid eventually went nuts. College days can be long and painful when you are in that kind of situation.

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    I don't see how VT failed him. Korean students said he did not go to any Korean group events, and a professor urged him to seek counseling. The university can't force him to hang out with people, and if he was in such a bad situation in the dorms, MOVE. At ISU, there are dozens of avenues to seek help for any problem you have. Obviously I don't know the VT situation but I do not for one scond believe he tried to get any help and was ignored.
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    If he could think like you do here, he probably would not have a problem to begin with.

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    They said that he wrote some plays which showed signs that he might be trouble. This type of thinking scares me because if we're constantly on the lookout for signs like these, people will be afraid to express themselves without first wondering if what they want to say has the appearance of a "warning sign."

    Disclaimer: I don't know what was in the plays. Maybe it was something so obvious that only a very disturbed person would write it.
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    He wasn't ignored by his english prof. she talked to him, and sent him to counceling. Some people just go nuts. Chemical imbalance, tumor on the brain, who knows.

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    I agree with ISU2008 and FRED. It's been quite a while since I was in college, but I know that there are many resources available to people who need help. Unfortunately, people fall through the cracks and total prevention of situations like this is impossible. We have the world we have. We do the best we can in it, and we can't spend our lives hiding under the bed.
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    Yeah but nobody contacted his family, arranged a family meeting, tried to get him to talk. Some of these Asian kids are expected to be good, little robots and benefit American economy, and nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Some of these Asian kids are expected to be good, little robots and benefit American economy, and nothing more.
    Expected by whom? I don't think colleges look at Asians and say "There's a good, little robot we can take tuition from so he can benefit the American economy."

    Since you wanted to bring his family into it, where were they? I'm not one to ultimately hold parents responsible for all their children's actions, but if anyone was supposed to interact with this kid, it was them.
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    First, a senior is in a res hall BY CHOICE, not by requirement. VTech didn't put him there.

    Second, he gets to CHOOSE which res hall is preferred - priviledge of stature on campus.

    Third, there is a little Law, FERPA - The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, that bars a university from talking with parents about such situations. A school would need persmission from the student, or the student must clearly express a threat to him/herself or others. Generally, this is defined as the words "kill" or "die" or "suicide" must be expressed verbally. I am not saying VTEch could not have done more, that side has not been expressed in the media and will not be because of FERPA and HIPAA privacy laws.

    A school cannot force a student into counseling although it can remove the student from campus and require physicians release to return, even then George WAshington U recently lost a law suit over an ouster. (The student happened to enroll at U Maryland without a physician's release and ultimately graduated, then filed suit.)

    If you look at the profile of the Columbine Killers and others of the recent past, this kid fits the shooter's profile. A loner, expressed dimensia. Combine that with the weak gun purchase laws in the state (same as Colorado) and it's a lethal combination.

    Notably, it has occurred near the end of the term, a sign the student has given up. Similarly, he was a senior. Maybe it's the absence of a valid future that is a motivator here also. The missing component of his profile is the presence of behavior altering drugs. We are seeing a huge influx of doprd kids entering as frosh and they're not taking their meds.

    My fear and that at many schools now is the copycat. The event has been re-established.(The U Texas tower shooter was the first.) The media attention is a driver. My fear, the next one is a commencement ceremony.

    Could VTECH have alerted the community sooner ? Probably, particularly since the shooter was not in custody. Why did he pick an engineering building when he was an English major? That is baffling since the few individual shooting incidents of the past have targeted known faculty. Speculation is he was seeking a specific individual in the engineering department and in his mind, time was running out and just opened up on everyone there.

    One aspect that is particularly disturbing, is a report that he had set a fire in a res hall a month or back. That type of incident is intolerably and mandates expulsion, but few schools will take that action thinking it extreme. Quite possibly such action may have set the fuse in his head sooner, we'll never know.

    This incident is life as we know it today. Be it at a university, a shopping mall or a high school, we're saddled with this threat.

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