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    First, a senior is in a res hall BY CHOICE, not by requirement. VTech didn't put him there.

    Second, he gets to CHOOSE which res hall is preferred - priviledge of stature on campus.

    Third, there is a little Law, FERPA - The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, that bars a university from talking with parents about such situations. A school would need persmission from the student, or the student must clearly express a threat to him/herself or others. Generally, this is defined as the words "kill" or "die" or "suicide" must be expressed verbally. I am not saying VTEch could not have done more, that side has not been expressed in the media and will not be because of FERPA and HIPAA privacy laws.

    A school cannot force a student into counseling although it can remove the student from campus and require physicians release to return, even then George WAshington U recently lost a law suit over an ouster. (The student happened to enroll at U Maryland without a physician's release and ultimately graduated, then filed suit.)

    If you look at the profile of the Columbine Killers and others of the recent past, this kid fits the shooter's profile. A loner, expressed dimensia. Combine that with the weak gun purchase laws in the state (same as Colorado) and it's a lethal combination.

    Notably, it has occurred near the end of the term, a sign the student has given up. Similarly, he was a senior. Maybe it's the absence of a valid future that is a motivator here also. The missing component of his profile is the presence of behavior altering drugs. We are seeing a huge influx of doprd kids entering as frosh and they're not taking their meds.

    My fear and that at many schools now is the copycat. The event has been re-established.(The U Texas tower shooter was the first.) The media attention is a driver. My fear, the next one is a commencement ceremony.

    Could VTECH have alerted the community sooner ? Probably, particularly since the shooter was not in custody. Why did he pick an engineering building when he was an English major? That is baffling since the few individual shooting incidents of the past have targeted known faculty. Speculation is he was seeking a specific individual in the engineering department and in his mind, time was running out and just opened up on everyone there.

    One aspect that is particularly disturbing, is a report that he had set a fire in a res hall a month or back. That type of incident is intolerably and mandates expulsion, but few schools will take that action thinking it extreme. Quite possibly such action may have set the fuse in his head sooner, we'll never know.

    This incident is life as we know it today. Be it at a university, a shopping mall or a high school, we're saddled with this threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ISU2008 View Post
    Big, I haven't had much time to follow what's happening, but from your descriptions it does sound like there was something truly disturbed with him, and I wish he didn't have to feel like that. BUT I don't think it's VT's fault that he was in that situation. He was an adult, if you feel like crap then go get help. I don't want to make this tragedy about him. I don't want to see this murderer's mug plastered on evey newscast and webpage and the people he killed a remain a number.
    Until ALL kin have been notified, none of the names will be released. Many are known, but the coroner is withholding "the list" until personal contact has been made. The "number" will become reality shortly.

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    " . . . that side has not been expressed in the media and will not be because of FERPA and HIPAA privacy laws."

    I don't think these laws apply post mortem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    Until ALL kin have been notified, none of the names will be released. Many are known, but the coroner is withholding "the list" until personal contact has been made. The "number" will become reality shortly.
    Didn't know about that. Still, I have MSN as my homepage, and I don't want to look at that picture every time I open a browser. Might have to change that.

    I know that when a streaker comes onto the field at a sporting event, the TV cameras won't even show them to discourage people doing it for publicity. While it might be a poor analogy, don't you think some people with some of the same problems and thoughts will see this and think "why not?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    " . . . that side has not been expressed in the media and will not be because of FERPA and HIPAA privacy laws."

    I don't think these laws apply post mortem.
    Ah, but they do. Note it is the "Family ERPA, not the Student ERPA. The family can file a complaint for a violation. The family needs to authorize release of specific information.

    After HIPAA was enacted several years ago. School SI's stopped releasing info about on the filed athletic injuries. Now the big schools get permission in advance from the athletes so they can communicate with the TV and radio folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    What I am saying ISU is that "Every man for himself" philosophy just doesn't work when a person has deep problems.
    What are you suggesting then?

    Should the government round up all the "troubled" people and fix them?

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    At the least the gun store owner's instant background check should not have come back "all clear" for this guy. Due to his "weird" behavior in and out of the classroom, he should have been required to attend counseling sessions with a therapist and the police should have put in his record a definite "no" as to his ability to buy guns.

    The guy called himself a "question mark" for crying out loud.

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    Big -

    I don't mean to be cruel here.... because I don't think of you like this.... but there are many (especially on the other board) who could take the same attitude about you. Why haven't we done so? We know who you are. Some of what you have said is outrageous. At this point a pretty good case could be made for an intervention with you.

    It wouldn't be hard to make this same case against several of us.... even me. Basically.... hindsite is 20/20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgallan View Post
    Big -

    I don't mean to be cruel here.... because I don't think of you like this.... but there are many (especially on the other board) who could take the same attitude about you. Why haven't we done so? We know who you are. Some of what you have said is outrageous. At this point a pretty good case could be made for an intervention with you.

    It wouldn't be hard to make this same case against several of us.... even me. Basically.... hindsite is 20/20.
    I am much more normal in person sgallan

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