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    http://www.newsobserver.com/821/story/1480019.html

    article from the Raleigh News & Observer

    NCSU stops John Wall Web site
    Fearing NCAA violation, State shuts Facebook group




    The frenzied pursuit of high school star John Wall of Raleigh has galvanized college basketball fans to get involved in an interactive way via Facebook and other social networking Web sites. That has schools concerned about running afoul of NCAA rules.

    Thursday morning, N.C. State asked Taylor Moseley, a freshman, to shut down "John Wall PLEASE come to NC STATE!!!", a Facebook group that drew more than 700 members. By Thursday night, it was gone. Moseley started a new group -- "Bring a National Title back to NC STATE!" -- that makes no mention of Wall but includes a photograph of the senior at Raleigh Word of God, who is widely considered the nation's best point guard prospect.

    The Wall craze points to the immense challenge facing the NCAA and individual schools, which are trying to regulate contact with recruits when the means of communicating electronically seem to be changing every day.


    "NCAA legislation hasn't caught up with technology, and that's being discussed nationally," said Michelle Lee, N.C. State's interim associate athletic director for compliance, who sent a letter to Moseley requesting that he close the original group. The letter followed an article published Tuesday in N.C. State's student newspaper, the Technician, reporting the possible NCAA violation.

    "Should this activity not cease and/or it continues in the future, we will have no choice but to take further action," Lee's letter said.

    Further action against Moseley, she told The News & Observer, "could be anything from preventing him from getting student tickets to athletic contests to disassociating ourselves from him, just like we would any other booster."

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    She described him as "apologetic" and "willing to do whatever it took to rectify the situation."

    Moseley declined to comment Thursday night.

    The NCAA made clear to N.C. State that it considers such sites a violation, Lee said. Making such a public appeal to Wall, in effect, turned Moseley into a representative of the university's athletic interests under NCAA Division I Bylaw 13.02.13.

    NCAA spokesman Erik Christianson said the bylaw applies to "individuals who would develop a social networking site or use an existing one to send recruiting messages to prospective student-athletes. Those communications are not allowed."

    As to whether the 13.02.13 trumps the First Amendment, "I think that comes up, but the institution has an obligation to say, 'For us to be a member of the association, we have to follow NCAA rules,'" said Shane Lyons, the ACC's associate commissioner for compliance. And the First Amendment restricts government, which the NCAA is not.

    N.C. State fans are hardly the only ones courting Wall on Facebook.

    One search turned up several such groups -- "Memphis Wants John Jimmy Wall," "Bring John Wall to Baylor," "John Wall in Memphis = Dynasty," "John Wall, come to DUKE!" and "John Wall Belongs at UNC" -- plus some dedicated to luring Wall to the University of Kentucky.

    Micah Pearson, creator of the "Kentucky needs John Wall!" Facebook group said he believes the sites affect players' decisions.

    "I have heard numerous players make comments about how crazy the UK fan base is," said Pearson, whose Facebook group had 1,738 members as of Thursday afternoon.

    Those members included Wall himself, according to Pearson.

    The possibility that Wall also belonged to Moseley's group was among the factors that concerned the NCSU athletic department, Lee said. At least two John Walls appeared as members; three John Walls attend or teach at the school.
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    So, if it's a violation would that encourage rival school fans to develope such sites/groups in the hopes of getting their rival school sanctioned by the NCAA?

    The NCAA made clear to N.C. State that it considers such sites a violation, Lee said. Making such a public appeal to Wall, in effect, turned Moseley into a representative of the university's athletic interests under NCAA Division I Bylaw 13.02.13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therick View Post
    So, if it's a violation would that encourage rival school fans to develope such sites/groups in the hopes of getting their rival school sanctioned by the NCAA?

    The NCAA made clear to N.C. State that it considers such sites a violation, Lee said. Making such a public appeal to Wall, in effect, turned Moseley into a representative of the university's athletic interests under NCAA Division I Bylaw 13.02.13.
    No... Moseley is a student at NC State. The article mentions that a basic search turned up other similar groups -- if those were created by students at those schools then I believe the NCAA would consider those a violation also. It's just like always -- NCAA can't police everyone so they make a few examples here and there.
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    It's still BS......does the NCAA really believe that any random student who starts a group on facebook is acting as a representative of the school/athletic department he/she attends?

    What about alumni or boosters?

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    I agree it's BS... but that's how the NCAA sees it. NCAA Bylaws identify someone who meets any one of the criteria below as someone who represents the school:

    13.02.13 representative of Athletics Interests. A ?representative of the institution?s athletics interests? is an individual, independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other
    organization who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution?s executive or athletics administration to:
    (Revised: 2/16/00)
    (a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the institution?s intercollegiate athletics program;
    (b) Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;
    (c) Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;
    (d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or their families; or
    (e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution?s athletics program.
    13.02.13.1 Duration of Status. Once an individual, independent agency, corporate entity or other organization is identified as such a representative, the person, independent agency, corporate entity or other organiza-
    tion retains that identity indefinitely. (Revised: 2/16/00)
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    and the rule about the recruiting violation:

    13.01.4 recruiting by representatives of Athletics Interests. Representatives of an institution’s athletics interests (as defined in Bylaw 13.02.13) are prohibited from making in-person, on- or off-campus recruiting contacts, or written or telephonic communications with a prospective student-athlete or the prospective
    student-athlete’s relatives or legal guardians.
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    So, I'm guessing the NCAA is lumping all students and non-booster alumni into this bucket?

    (a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the institution’s intercollegiate athletics program;

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    I guess so. Where's Ezra when we need her over here to 'splain??
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    The NCAA, behind the times yet again. This is asinine.

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