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    Yes but my point is that his particular sport lends itself to winning multiple medals. Medal count should not be the criterion for "Greatest Olympian Ever." If you feel that he's the most dominant Olympic athlete in his sport, that's another matter, but then wouldn't Alexander Karelin be just as worthy?
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    Spider makes good points.
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    100% agreed with Spider. He is the greatest Olympic swimmer and he should be on any list of the being among the greatest, but if you only look at Medal count you are limiting your candidates to only a couple of sports.

    Some other athletes to consider are Carl Lewis for obvious reasons and Al Oerter who won the discuss four consecutive and the third time won with a rib injury.

    To add to the debate:
    Greatest Single Performance at the Olympics:
    Bob Beamon's long jump in 1968. Look it up if you are not familiar with it

    Greatest Single Olympic Games:
    Eric Heiden without a doubt . He won every single speed skating event which went from 500m sprint to 10K endurance race to get a total of five individual Golds
    Micheal Phelps in Bejing has to near near the top along with Usain Bolt. As a wrestling fan I will add Karam Gaber's performance in Athens, where he absolutely toyed with everyone he wrestled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Greatest Single Olympic Games:
    Eric Heiden without a doubt . He won every single speed skating event which went from 500m sprint to 10K endurance race to get a total of five individual Golds
    Micheal Phelps in Bejing has to near near the top along with Usain Bolt. As a wrestling fan I will add Karam Gaber's performance in Athens, where he absolutely toyed with everyone he wrestled.

    What about Danny Mack Gable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Haha! I set myself up for that one. I also have a question for you. I watched Delpopolo's round of 16 match. I'm almost positive that they called opponent after a 20 second hold down. What's the deal there?
    I assume you mean that they called an ippon not an oppenent?
    If I recall it correctly, I think he already had a waza-ari throw and then got another waza-ari for the 20 second hold down to end the match.

    It is hard to follow the scoring with any announcers and I get confused sometimes on what they are calling. I don't know if you saw the semi-final match on the first day between Japan and Korea when after the end of OT and a tie all three judges called the decision for the Korean only to be pulled aside by international judo officials. after a lengthy discussion the judges came back and all three reverse their original decision and decide for the Japanese fighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    100% agreed with Spider. He is the greatest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    Yes but my point is that his particular sport lends itself to winning multiple medals. Medal count should not be the criterion for "Greatest Olympian Ever." If you feel that he's the most dominant Olympic athlete in his sport, that's another matter, but then wouldn't Alexander Karelin be just as worthy?
    I'm not solely basing it upon medal count, but in my mind medal count has to play a part just as a truly objective criteria. If we discount hardware entirely then we're just arguing on feelings.

    I'm basing the argument on longevity having done this now for three Olympic cycles, and the fact that in doing this he's been forced to excel over multiple distances in multiple strokes against guys who aren't doing the volume that he's doing and against guys who are able to specialize in a single event distance or stroke.

    I love and respect guys like Smith and Baumgartner as much as anyone but 19 medals with 15 golds can't be discounted just because of the sport he competes in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    I'm not solely basing it upon medal count, but in my mind medal count has to play a part just as a truly objective criteria. If we discount hardware entirely then we're just arguing on feelings.
    There is a middle ground between relying solely on medal count or solely on emotion. As ODH and I have argued, medal count is an unfair barometer because some sports limit their participants to only one medal per Olympics. As soon as Phelps broke the medal record, he was proclaimed the greatest Olympic athlete. That seems like using medal count as the only criterion.

    Again, I'm not saying that Phelps is not the greatest Olympic athlete ever, only that his medal count shouldn't automatically make him that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1 View Post
    What about Danny Mack Gable?
    He had a great Olympic games and was unscored on, but watch his Gold Medal match and then watch Gaber's.
    I have heard that the oft repeated story that Gable was first/only Olympic wrestler to be unscored on is untrue.

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