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    Dart,

    W118 went at motive which I think is fine. That's one question that columnists seem to get caught on: "why are you writing this?"

    Oh they have an answer ready and may have even offered it upfront in the column, but some readers will look deeper and realize that there may be an obscure motive underlying their offered reason, which the columnist may not even be aware of himself.
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    "you attack someone's ability and background and their basis as a writer, that's where things might get sketchy."

    A few of the posters took great exception to the SUBSTANCE of what Mr. Sesker wrote without making it personal. Surely that shouldn't be out-of-bounds.

    My problems with the column begin with the opening paragraphs, continue with selected passages, and end with the closing sentence.

    Put it this way, if I were his editor (I don't know if he even has one) the red pen would have been out in force as I reviewed his copy.
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    "I get defensive when people say, "horrible article," but I want to know why it was horrible. Was it sentence structure, missed modifiers ... "horrible" doesn't mean it isn't well-written and without thought."


    Example--right our of the gate he states that Metcalf "probably" went over the line, but then states that the referee was correct in his ruling. Isn't the reader faced with an inconsistency right there? One has to believe that Mr. Sesker's choice of the word "probably" in that sentence was the result of a considered decision on his part. It does imply that the referee was potentially incorrect while saying in plain English that the referee was correct. Was Mr. Sesker aware of that or was it intentional in the first place? It's either inept writing or brilliantly subtle.

    Continuing on with his subsequent comments about Caldwell and exactly how he presented that:

    Is Mr. Sesker aware that Caldwell has caught a lot of flack along with Metcalf, that Caldwell has caught, in essence, some of the booing? Yet Caldwell's action is not defended at all in his column. Instead Caldwell's action gets included in a categorical criticism of celebrations in general (actually a sub-category of celebrations--those with "time left on the clock") along with an implication that the referee was incorrect to not have also called a USC penalty on Caldwell in this specific instance. I have got to believe that, in his clearer-headed moments, Mr. Sesker would know that that is a debatable point. The writing is unclear, and I believe that Mr. Sesker decided that, upon review, it suited his purpose to leave it that way.

    OK, that's a brief look at his first five paragraphs (of 27 total). Others have critiqued the subsequent content in the work in a fashion that had great merit IMO, without making it personal. Those critiques have disappeared.
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    I took an approach last year with the folks booing Phil Davis and then someone dropping the "N" word. Not a lot of people agreed with it. Others did.

    I think Wrassler is giving his words too much emphasis when he "fears" his coaches card will be pulled. An opinion piece is a column, it's just semantics, the term "article" is broad-based.

    No one's going to pull your coaches card because you disagreed with a column.

    Do I think the fans went overboard in crucifying the "golden boy?" Yes, I personally do. People can make excuses backing up why they say what they say, but ultimately, it's fun to pile on the unbeatable guy.

    Mike Tyson lost, everyone started flaming him. When the Yankees lose with their billion dollar payroll, folks jump on.

    I guess I'm playing both sides here, but we're so quick to rabble rouse. I had one of the most volatile forums in the country (ask Grips) when I was in Virginia. Easier to yank threads that get out of hand then try to read every single post throughout the course of a day.

    With the volume some boards get, you spend more time sifting than you do actually working. I personally don't blame them for killing threads that are far beyond driven, it's pointless to try to zap the last two pages of a thread when the whole thing is just spiraling out of control.

    Take it for what it's worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dart Shark View Post
    I had one of the most volatile forums in the country (ask Grips) when I was in Virginia. Easier to yank threads that get out of hand then try to read every single post throughout the course of a day.
    I can speak to that also. I quit even trying to have one on my NC site. Someone else started one, and it got so bad I haven't even been on it in over a year.
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    They may not pull my coaches card, but I most likely won't be getting a press pass anytime soon.
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    I think it's obvious what's going on over on that other forum. Schlottke didn't even hide it that well! He's somehow hacked in to their system and he's responsible for everybody getting banned and deleting all the threads! All in an attempt to get more people to come over to his other sites and buy wrestling gear!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Stiffy View Post
    I think it's obvious what's going on over on that other forum. Schlottke didn't even hide it that well! He's somehow hacked in to their system and he's responsible for everybody getting banned and deleting all the threads! All in an attempt to get more people to come over to his other sites and buy wrestling gear!!!!!!
    hahaha, shoot, you got me!

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    that would be quite funny senors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardust View Post
    I can speak to that also. I quit even trying to have one on my NC site. Someone else started one, and it got so bad I haven't even been on it in over a year.
    I think the volatility of themat forum is largely a RESULT of the inconsistent moderation. The mods will sit back and do nothing for months while posters flame each other to death, which lets all the posters know that a) posting crap is okay and b) everyone's going to attack you, so be ready with crap of your own. Then when the moderators do get involved, it's pretty random, without proper explanation. (ie banning a poster for critiquing Sesker's article, which is just silly if the poster followed forum rules in his critique).

    The whole forum kind of reminds me of a class of unruly schoolchildren. Firm and clear rules that are consistently enforced calms everyone down, weeds out the few bad apples and makes the forums user-friendly. The random self-protecting moderation that seems to go on at themat.com just makes things worse, because no one knows what's going to happen.
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    I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!

    Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.

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