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    Ok i am going to try to explain something based upon my experience.....my father was a prof at PSU. His 2nd wife was a SOc student there & became a Social Worker & ended up working for County Social Services.

    She worked with Foster kids, the kind Sandusky tried to "help" with 2nd mile.

    Living in rural PA it became known that my dads wife was a social worker & a SAFE person to talk to & someone who would help kids legally.

    More than once we would get knocks on the door in the middle of the night with young girls asking for help & shelter. It turned out that a few fathers were molesting their teenager daughters. And sometimes she would have to deal with kids. Inevitably she would drink & after a few beers unload all the **** she had to deal with, giving all the details I did not want to hear. It always turned out that all the people around the teenagers & kids SAW stuff BUT the person committing the crimes was a TRUSTED LOVED ONE. A Dad, a Uncle, A brother, a stepdad etc etc. So they either were slow on the trigger OR completely failed on the trigger.

    You think it is easy being removed from the scene that you would baseball bat the guy in the head. But when you catch your Dad or brother or uncle doing this stuff NO ONE WANTS TO BELIEVE IT. And in fact the tendency was to actually try & help the molester get help, not help the young girl or boy.

    It of course doesn't make it right but I can imagine that the fact that maybe MM didn't go after Sandusky right then was what I stated above. Sandusky was a trusted father like figure. And that is what makes this $h1t all F-ed is the person has to turn in someone they care about. It messes with the 2 ways AND then you have the added problem that NO ONE BELIEVES YOU.

    One time, a neighborhood father found out that his daughter ran to our house he tried to call they cops & accuse my Dad of doing stuff to her. The entire neighborhood blew up b/c no one believed it & they started to believe HIM about my family.

    Sex abuse is EVIL hands down. Confronting EVIL is very difficult b/c people do not suspect it but it is there. And then when it is there it can inspire witch hunts swinging the other way forsaking justice. And I have been watching the lynch mob mentality all thru the media today. It is just as sickening to me.

    From the outside it is all very black & white. But imagine catching your Dad or brother doing that stuff. Do you pull the trigger BAM? If it is YOUR kid probably so. If it is someone else's kid & the molester is someone you trust & love? Then make that Dad or Brother Famous or powerful. Someone who could ruin your career. Or maybe you fear NO ONE will believe you. Now it gets alot more complicated.

    In all the stories I heard only 2 times did someone beat the crap out of the molester. You know who? When it was witnessed by someone who had been already molested as a kid. That person always struck hard & fast & both times got arrested themselves for assault.

    I have already said I thought that based upon the information to hand JoePa should have done more. But I also know we don't know the full story yet.

    And my point in all of this, isn't so much to comment upon this horrible story but to maybe make you stop & think. You think you are prepared to confront EVIL? Maybe some of you are but I think that when EVIL really arrives in real life it is not easy to confront & you are not prepared it either fools you or you blink. And in either one of those cases, you may end up regretting you inaction the rest of your life.

    Joepa, Curley, Schultz, Spanier & McQueary all have done a lot of good for the PSU community. However the penalty they might pay is that ONE mistake may cost them everything they worked for. It is a PR world. It isn't fair but that is how it ends up being with the social moral outrage. And if you are outraged I hope in your heart you know if you could pass the same test.

    In the meantime, I pray that those effected can eventually heal & find peace & forgiveness. I pray that the apparent ripping apart of the entire PSU community can be pulled back together.

    This whole thing $ukz & I can't believe how much from 1000 miles away it has affected me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    Today in his statement he owned up to a mistake. I already know that almost no one here ever owes up to any!
    The quote I just read on ESPN bottom line was JoPa saying "In hindsight I wish I would have done more.......For the rest of my life I will try to help the UNIVERSITY in any way I can."

    I'm not sure what he's not getting. He should spend the rest of his life helping the children, not the university.

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    KR I kinda agree with you. I do think that the lynch mob mentality is a dangerous one (hence my Duke lacrosse reference) and a lot of people will have a lot of crow to eat if it turns out that nothing really happened.

    The one thing that I completely disagree with is the fact that one mistake can not erase all the good that these people did for the university. That is why we see so many people chanting Paterno's name and supporting him. I would argue that some things are so haneous that no matter what good they may have done that one evil act can indeed erase any good that person may have done. So IF Sandusky did abuse a boy in the locker room in the fashion that has been described and IF Paterno did know that the abuses were as egregious as have been reported then not following up on this and more so allowing Sandusky to continue to bring children to PSU then he's as guilty as anyone else especially if any other abuses took place after the initial reporting.

    In my eyes allowing someone to continue to molest children wipes out anything positive that person may have done, no matter who it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    The quote I just read on ESPN bottom line was JoPa saying "In hindsight I wish I would have done more.......For the rest of my life I will try to help the UNIVERSITY in any way I can."

    I'm not sure what he's not getting. He should spend the rest of his life helping the children, not the university.
    I could agree to that but even before Sandusky was arrested there were kids all across the nation being sexually abused. Where was the outrage then? And I bet after the court case is over, we won't hear anymore about sexual abuse of minors.

    So my point being that with the media, who have advertising dollars to sell, scandal is great business & ripping on the school & some men who have done some great things is more important than actually doing anything for any kids who have had a horrible crime perpetrated upon them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snackem View Post
    KR I kinda agree with you. I do think that the lynch mob mentality is a dangerous one (hence my Duke lacrosse reference) and a lot of people will have a lot of crow to eat if it turns out that nothing really happened.

    The one thing that I completely disagree with is the fact that one mistake can not erase all the good that these people did for the university. That is why we see so many people chanting Paterno's name and supporting him. I would argue that some things are so heinous that no matter what good they may have done that one evil act can indeed erase any good that person may have done. So IF Sandusky did abuse a boy in the locker room in the fashion that has been described and IF Paterno did know that the abuses were as egregious as have been reported then not following up on this and more so allowing Sandusky to continue to bring children to PSU then he's as guilty as anyone else especially if any other abuses took place after the initial reporting.

    In my eyes allowing someone to continue to molest children wipes out anything positive that person may have done, no matter who it is.
    Though I was talking in general, I was actually more referring to JoePa specifically. So far from what we know he did not collude with anyone to allow Sandusky to carry on. According to him, the seriousness of the act was not conveyed. However McQueary says they were. Someone is either suffering from faulty memory OR someone is lying OR worse there could be a cover up. When you know the extent of the things he did for the university, I am hard pressed to think of something he might have done (or in this case failed to do) as to completely negate that.

    If Sandusky's charges stick, well then yes, one life's work can be negated for sure.

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    JoePa knowingly harbored a freaking pedophile rapist for 9 years. He needed to be fired yesterday. Due process KR? The number of victims has doubled in the last 24 hours. A guy on the coaching staff testified to a grand jury that he saw Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy in the shower. What would be his motive for saying that about a lifelong mentor? You're way off base on your stance in all of this. As for the administration, I can already hear the chants.. WE ARE..STATE PENN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    Man, the more I read and hear about this the more I think Paterno has to go now (either fired or put on suspension) and the game with Nebraska has to be canceled. No way they should play football this weekend, and maybe even the rest of the year. Possibly the worst scandal in college sports history.
    Paterno gone this evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    Paterno gone this evening.
    Absolutely had to be done. Paterno's hubris made it so. Did he really tell the BofT not to think about his status? Even under the circumstances, he seemed to think he could dictate how things went.

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    Please don't think, based on what I am about to write, that I in any way condone what was done at PSU (by the way, I heard on talk radio today, PSU stands for Pedophilia State University). I work in a prison, and I deal with sex offenders every day. They are, by any measure, the scum of the earth.
    That said, Joe Paterno has, for 50 years, represented the best in college sports. I have often said that if I had a son who was going to play football, I would have encouraged him to play at PSU under Paterno because of the standards of behavior and performance that he stood for. Because of that, I am hugely disappointed in his response - 10 years ago and today - to this situation.
    With that said, he committed one mistake. It is a really huge mistake, but it is one in a lifetime of doing really wonderful things for young people. I don't forgive him that mistake: he will pay for it with his career and his legacy. But I have made mistakes in my lifetime. I made mistakes that cost young men their lives. I have made mistakes that cost my employers many, many dollars. I have made mistakes that have cost my children and my wife tremendous emotional pain. In balance, I have done, I hope, many kind, gentle, supportive, helpful, generous, and good things.
    Joe Paterno has done much with his life that is good, kind, and wonderful. He screwed up, perhaps unforgivably, this one time. While he cannot be simply forgiven for this mistake, it also should not wipe out all the good that he has done.
    The pervert, on the other hand, can roast over an open fire for all that I care.

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