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    I apologize if this has been posted already.

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    These things should be simple:

    1. When, as an adult, you come come across another adult raping a small child, you should a) do everything in your power to rescue that child from the rapist, b) call the police the moment it is practicable.

    2. If your adult son calls you to tell you that he just saw another adult raping a small child, but then left that small child with the rapist, and then asks you what he should do, you should a) tell him to get off the phone with you and call the police immediately, b) call the police yourself and make a report, c) at the appropriate time in the future ask your adult son why the f--k he did not try to save that kid.

    3. If your underling comes to you to report that he saw another man, also your underling, raping a small child, but then left that small child with the rapist, you should a) call the police immediately, b) alert your own superiors, c) immediately suspend the alleged rapist underling from his job responsibilities pending a full investigation, d) at the appropriate time in the future ask that first underling why the f--k he did not try to save that kid.

    4. When, as the officials of an organization, you are approached by an underling who tells you that one of his people saw another of his people raping a small child at the organization, in organization property, you should a) call the police immediately, b) immediately suspend the alleged rapist from his job responsibilities if the immediate supervisor has not already done so, c) when called to a grand jury to testify on the matter, avoid perjuring yourself. At no time should you decide that the best way to handle the situation is to simply tell the alleged rapist not to bring small children onto organization property anymore.

    You know, there?s a part of me who looks at the actions of each of non-raping grown men in the ?Pennsylvania State University small-child-allegedly-being-raped-by-a-grown-man-who-is-part-of-the-football-hierarchy? scandal and can understand why those men could rationalize a) not immediately acting in the interests of a small child being raped, b) not immediately going to the police, c) doing only the minimum legal requirements in the situation, d) acting to keep from exposing their organization to a scandal. But here?s the thing: that part of me? The part that understands these actions? That part of me is a fucking coward. And so by their actions ? and by their inactions ? were these men.

    At least one sports columnist has made the point that Joe Paterno, the 40+ year coach of Penn State, who was fired last night (along with the university?s president) by the university?s board of trustees, should be remembered for all the good things he has stood for, and for his generosity and principles, even as this scandal, which brought his downfall, is now inevitably part of his legacy as well. And, well. I suspect that in time, even this horrible event will fade, and Paterno?s legacy, to football and to Penn State, will rise above the tarnishment, especially because it can and will be argued that Paterno did all that was legally required of him, expressed regret and horror, and was not the man who was, after all, performing the acts.

    Here?s what I think about that, right now. I?m a science fiction writer, and one of the great stories of science fiction is ?The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas,? which was written by Ursula K. Le Guin. The story posits a fantastic utopian city, where everything is beautiful, with one catch: In order for all this comfort and beauty to exist, one child must be kept in filth and misery. Every citizen of Omelas, when they come of age, is told about that one blameless child being put through hell. And they have a choice: Accept that is the price for their perfect lives in Omelas, or walk away from that paradise, into uncertainty and possibly chaos.

    At Pennsylvania State University, a grown man found a blameless child being put through hell. Other grown men learned of it. Each of them had to make their choice, and decide, fundamentally, whether the continuation of their utopia ? or at very least the illusion of their utopia ? was worth the pain and suffering of that one child. Through their actions, and their inactions, we know the choice they made.

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    Very similar to the ancient KOBALDS and tribal gods of ancient
    Norway. One child would be kept in opulence for 5 years but never spoken or let outside a tent to-then on year six the child is sacrificed and then his remains are carried ny the Shaman as a totem .
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pm01 View Post
    I apologize if this has been posted already.

    Omelas State University - Whatever
    John Scalzi

    These things should be simple:

    1. When, as an adult, you come come across another adult raping a small child, you should a) do everything in your power to rescue that child from the rapist, b) call the police the moment it.... the choice they made.
    Wow, we can close the thread now, that sums it all up perfectly. Thanks PM, I've read one of Scalzi's books previously, it's good to hear we're on the same page regarding the PSU incident. All of the heroes came up small when it really mattered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1 View Post
    Blueblood, I dont' agree with what zzyx is saying so don't take this as such. However I wouldnt be against some sort of post season ban on the football team or the entire athletic department at PSU for a few years. Not to punish the current students or coaches but to punish the university as a whole through the department that created the most immoral cover up in the history of college athletics (imo). They gave SMU the death penalty for much less than this. Penn St deserves that and more IF this cover up turns out to be as bad as it seems it is. The punishment needs to fit the crime. The crime couldnt have been much worse.
    I get the comparison, but the ncaa didn't penalize all of SMU's sports, right?
    As I have said-I'd really like to get the whole story out in the open so blame and justice can be accurately placed.

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    I don't think they penalized all of SMU's sports, just football. However, given the severity of the accusations of this situation, and if they turn out to be true, I wouldnt be suprised if the NCAA penalized Penn St as a whole. This isnt a football issue, it's an athletic department issue. They may just come down on the whole athletic department.

    I agree with you. They need to get the whole story out so justice can be done accurately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    As I have said-I'd really like to get the whole story out in the open so blame and justice can be accurately placed.
    ....and there lies the crux of the issue. Though the Grand jury report contains much detail of events, it does not address what went behind the closed office door of Schultz. When you are in front of a grand jury, you are required to answer the questions asked, nothing more. You don't get the opportunity to tell all.

    I don't believe the entire tale involving Paterno has been told, only negative innuendo based on assumption is being regurgitated in the news media.. The man has developed 60+ years of integrity. I'll stand beside him until all of the speculation and innuendo becomes fact. Until then I find no unmet accountability on his part. My speculation is that when all the detail is in and weighed, Schultz is the weight behind any collusion with Curley that is determined.

    Paterno's involvement will be vindicated when the details of content in closed door meetings are unveiled.

    His reputation has earned him the right to full disclosure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    I spent nearly all day writing this

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    OPINION: Who can claim Moral Outrage? | Everything Penn State

    warning its 6500 words!
    I definitely enjoyed the intro!

    You clearly put a lot of thought and a lot of yourself into that piece. I thought you were going in a slightly different direction when you started talking about the problem with the country. I do agree that there is a strong CYA mentality where it often becomes better to do nothing than try to do the right thing. In most states, you can be sued for trying to perform CPR if you are not certified. Seriously, what's the worst thing that can happen to someone who needs CPR???

    Where I thought you were going to go is the lack of thought going on. We have become amazingly quick to jump on a catch phrase or a bit of information and pass judgment on that. Look at politics today - candidates do better if they have a cool catch phrase ('drill, baby drill") than if they give a clear, insightful response that requires some thought. Too many politicians try to gain election (or reelection) by staying strong to the party line rather than having clear, well thought out goals and principles.

    Personally, I think you are right that McQueary panicked and didn't fully do the right thing (although no one has said if by seeing McQueary, Sandusky stopped). You present how hard that situation probably was for him even to believe and understand what was going on, much less act quickly with clear thought. Could we all sit here after the fact, having no connection to Sandusky, and say we would have done better? Sure. How many of us actually would have acted perfectly in that situation with one of our most trusted and lifelong mentor? I think few. But once again, trashing people without knowledge doesn't improve this situation for anyone. Doing something positive does.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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    Thanks BBL.

    My point on the CYA part was just looking at how we could elevate our game in terms of taking responsibility instead of blaming. The facts hopefully will all come out & then we will know whether vindication has occurred or a heavier penalty is due.

    I wrote that piece to hopefully put attention back on SOLUTIONS instead of finding fault as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBloodLion View Post
    You present how hard that situation probably was for him even to believe and understand what was going on, much less act quickly with clear thought. Could we all sit here after the fact, having no connection to Sandusky, and say we would have done better?
    Again. Situations like this is where you find out if you have true character or not. Everyone at Penn St. failed that test. I'm not saying I would have done better. I am simply acknowledging that they all failed horribly. That goes from McQueary, to his dad, to Paterno and on up. If that was any one of their 10yr old boys or grandsons, I can guarantee you they would've done what ever they could to protect him. They didn't. They failed the ultimate test. They are all cowards.

    With that said, maybe I would've failed too. I don't know. I hope not. But they did, so let's quit giving them a pass based on what other people might have done or what they might have been thinking at the time. In a situation like this, there is right and wrong. And a little boy is forever scarred because of cowardice. Let's all just hope we can and will do the right thing if we are ever in that situation.

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