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    JoeDIRT is the moral equivalent of the 'good Germans' who turned in their Jewish neighbors because they were 'obeying the law'.
    No he is not, and it is not close.

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    Penn State should drop all Intercollegiate Athletics for 5 years minimum. The whole place is tainted. They should expel every student who took part in the riot. Mandatory ethics classes for everyone who remains on staff or as a student. After 5 years they can decide if re-opening an Athletic Program is worth it. Until then they should hang their heads in shame, never let joeDirt back on campus for any reason and get rid of the 6'4" 220 pound former football player who failed to run into the shower and pull the rapist off the 10 year old kid.
    zzyx, your solution is to penalize the people who had nothing to do with this? Using your logic, since you are also a wrestling fan, you are guilty and should have gone to jail with John DuPont for killing Dave Schultz.

    You, intellectual all-star that you are, would like to penalize literally hundreds of student athletes here who strive for excellence, as well as the many coaches who try to make better people as well as better athletes. Apparently, when the zzyx School of Ethics comes to reeducate all of us, we will learn that people are guilty not by their acts, but by their geography. We were near a pedophile, therefore we are guilty.

    Please keep your BS to yourself and stop posting here. You are wasting everyone's time.

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    I spent nearly all day writing this

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    OPINION: Who can claim Moral Outrage? | Everything Penn State

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    Michelle Remembers

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    Michelle Remembers
    Author(s) Lawrence Pazder & Michelle Smith
    Country United States
    Language English
    Genre(s) published as an autobiography, since discredited[1][2][3]
    Publisher Pocket Books
    Publication date November 1, 1980
    ISBN 978-0671694333
    Michelle Remembers is a book published in 1980 co-written by Canadian psychiatrist Lawrence Pazder and his psychiatric patient (and eventual wife) Michelle Smith. A best-seller, Michelle Remembers was the first book written on the subject of satanic ritual abuse and is an important part of the controversies beginning in the 1980s regarding satanic ritual abuse and repressed memory. The book has been discredited by several investigations which found no corroboration of the book's events, while others have pointed out that the events described in the book were extremely unlikely and in some cases impossible.
    I am the LAST person on the planet to defend a CHESTER -Yet we need to keep some perspective here -Am I the ponly one who remembers the McMartin Case ?
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    McMartin preschool trial

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    Virginia McMartin during the McMartin preschool trial


    The McMartin preschool trial was a day care sexual abuse case of the 1980s. Members of the McMartin family, who operated a preschool in California, were charged with numerous acts of sexual abuse of children in their care. Accusations were made in 1983. Arrests and the pretrial investigation ran from 1984 to 1987, and the trial ran from 1987 to 1990. After six years of criminal trials, no convictions were obtained, and all charges were dropped in 1990. When the trial ended in 1990 it had been the longest and most expensive criminal trial in American history.[1] The case was part of day care sex abuse hysteria, a moral panic over satanic ritual abuse in the 1980s and early 1990s.
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    In 1983, Judy Johnson, mother of one of the Manhattan Beach, California, preschool's young students, complained to the police that her son had been sodomized by her estranged husband and by McMartin teacher Ray Buckey.[2][3] Ray Buckey was the grandson of school founder Virginia McMartin and son of administrator Peggy McMartin Buckey. Johnson's belief that her son had been abused began when her son had painful bowel movements. What happened next is still disputed. Some sources state that at that time, Johnson's son denied her suggestion that his preschool teachers had molested him, whereas others say he confirmed the abuse.[2][4]
    In addition, Johnson also made several more accusations, including that people at the daycare had sexual encounters with animals, that "Peggy drilled a child under the arms" and "Ray flew in the air."[1][5][6] Ray Buckey was questioned, but was not prosecuted due to lack of evidence. The police then sent a form letter to about 200 parents of students at the McMartin school, stating that their children might have been abused, and asking the parents to question their children. The text of the letter said:[2]
    September 8, 1983. Dear Parent: This Department is conducting a criminal investigation involving child molestation (288 P.C.) Ray Buckey, an employee of Virginia McMartin's Pre-School, was arrested September 7, 1983 by this Department. The following procedure is obviously an unpleasant one, but to protect the rights of your children as well as the rights of the accused, this inquiry is necessary for a complete investigation. Records indicate that your child has been or is currently a student at the pre-school. We are asking your assistance in this continuing investigation. Please question your child to see if he or she has been a witness to any crime or if he or she has been a victim. Our investigation indicates that possible criminal acts include: oral sex, fondling of genitals, buttock or chest area, and sodomy, possibly committed under the pretense of "taking the child's temperature." Also photos may have been taken of children without their clothing. Any information from your child regarding having ever observed Ray Buckey to leave a classroom alone with a child during any nap period, or if they have ever observed Ray Buckey tie up a child, is important. Please complete the enclosed information form and return it to this Department in the enclosed stamped return envelope as soon as possible. We will contact you if circumstances dictate same. We ask you to please keep this investigation strictly confidential because of the nature of the charges and the highly emotional effect it could have on our community. Please do not discuss this investigation with anyone outside your immediate family. Do not contact or discuss the investigation with Raymond Buckey, any member of the accused defendant's family, or employees connected with the McMartin Pre-School.[7]
    Johnson was diagnosed with and hospitalized for acute paranoid schizophrenia[3][8][9][10] and in 1986 was found dead in her home from complications of chronic alcoholism[2][11] before the preliminary hearing concluded.[12]
    [edit] Interviewing and examining the children

    Several hundred children were
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    r.payton,

    Is the purpose of your posts to suggest that McQueary, a grown man, lied to the grand jury as a result of clever and suggestive interviewing techniques (like those unleashed on children during the California case you cite) by police and/or prosecutors?

    You cannot just attack the children as witnesses in this case, like the attorney for the accused molestor Sandusky is doing, where adults were also EYEwitnesses.
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    No,
    I'd love to see justice done here . Yet things seem to get uglier every day .People are making unsubstantiated claims -as a former teacher/coach I've seen careers ruined over unfounded accusations . If this guy (or guys) are guilty and they cannot find an executioner just give me a ring .
    I just remember that little old lady dam near dying during the trial and that entire family's lives were ruined .
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    Your posts, then, were offered as a caution against allowing overzealousness.

    I think most would agree with that as a general rule.
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    KR said,"No one is mentioning that Former County DA Ray Gricar had Sandusky on TAPE admitting to some wrong doing & he did not charge Sandusky at the time. Gricar's excuse was that he did not have enough evidence to convict. Gricar DISAPPEARED in 2005. No body ever found.

    Also despite the BOT firing Spanier I wonder hwo much anyone on the BOT knew. Guess what? Sandusky was in the President's Box for the PSU-Illini game 2 weeks ago. So were many other PSU "dignitaries". How many heads shoudl really roll now?"

    In light of allegations Sandusky was procuring young boys for rich donors it would be interesting to know who was in the box with him

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    Blueblood, I dont' agree with what zzyx is saying so don't take this as such. However I wouldnt be against some sort of post season ban on the football team or the entire athletic department at PSU for a few years. Not to punish the current students or coaches but to punish the university as a whole through the department that created the most immoral cover up in the history of college athletics (imo). They gave SMU the death penalty for much less than this. Penn St deserves that and more IF this cover up turns out to be as bad as it seems it is. The punishment needs to fit the crime. The crime couldnt have been much worse.
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