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    Carson Palmer has not been the same since his knee injury. Pre injury he was top 3 or 4 but now he is maybe 9 or 10.

    In his prime Mcnabb was top five but injuries and age have slowed him. His receivers have always been terrible aside from the one year with TO and his coach is an idiot who keeps passing when Mcnabb is struggling. At this point I would put him around 6 or 7.

    1. Brady
    2. Manning
    3. Brees
    4. Warner
    5. Rivers
    6. Mcnabb
    7. roethlisberger.
    8. Romo
    9. Palmer
    10. Matty Ice (soon to be much higher)

    I really hate Jay Cutler.

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    I'm with you on Cutler.

    In terms of Carson Palmer, the year after he tore his knee up he threw for 4,035 yards with 28 TD's and 13 picks. His rating was 93.9 it wasn't as good as the prior year but those are still great numbers and if his play was going to drop off due to his knee injury I would assume that this would be the year where it happened.

    Then two years ago he went for 4,131 yards with 26 TD's and 20 picks. His rating was still 86.7 which while not up to the standard of the two prior years is still pretty solid. He had to deal with a ton of upheaval along his O-Line this year (Eric Steinbach left, and Willie Anderson was hurt).

    Those Bengals teams weren't losing because of Palmer.

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    Palmer is no longer a top QB. I'm not saying the team is losing because of him, but he's just not the same guy. He doesn't trust the knee, and you can see it how he throws. This is also what concerns me about Brady.
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    I don't see how you can justifiably say "he isn't the same guy." I can't see how you rank Eli above him either given that Eli's best full season is arguably not even as good as Palmer's worst full season.

    Palmer had an excellent year, and then a solid year after tearing the knee up, the pitiful defense that those Bengals teams had is what did them in. Palmer was still playing at a high level.

    His elbow injury this year limited him (although he still played well against the Giants), I don't really see how you can draw much in the way of conclusions about his level of play from just this year especially given how he played the last two.

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    Palmer is getting his stats at the end of games when his team is way back. Quarterbacking not just about throwing the passes, it's about managing the game, knowing when to check down, knowing when to audible, etc.

    Eli's teams have made the playoffs every season where he started the season as starter. The defense this season is the only one that ranked near the top of the league. These are jsust the differences. We're talking about best QB, not best passer. Carson is probably a better passer, but that doesn't mean he's a better QB.

    The difference between Roethlisberger being carried by his defense and your comparison to Eli is that Pittsburgh's defense is just better then the Giants defenses. Statistically, this Pitt defense was among the best of all time.
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    Point granted on the defense isssue.

    Eli though is also carried by one of (if not the best) offensive lines in the league while Roethlisberger has one of the worst.

    Then this year as a result of that offensive line Eli had the best running game in league, Roethlisberger again had one of the worst.

    In terms of Eli v. Palmer, your argument that you used earlier about players being "the reason that their teams win" is applicable here, at least in my opinion.

    If the Bengals are winning games, its because of Carson Palmer. Eli can be carried by his running game, and his defense.

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    Point granted on the defense isssue.

    Eli though is also carried by one of (if not the best) offensive lines in the league while Roethlisberger has one of the worst.

    Then this year as a result of that offensive line Eli had the best running game in league, Roethlisberger again had one of the worst.

    In terms of Eli v. Palmer, your argument that you used earlier about players being "the reason that their teams win" is applicable here, at least in my opinion.

    If the Bengals are winning games, its because of Carson Palmer. Eli can be carried by his running game, and his defense.
    As a Giants fan, trust me on this part: Our offensive line is great...at run blocking. They're a lot of great drive blockers. But only one of them, Shaun O'Hara, is above average at pass blocking. Eli didn't get sacked much, and that's because on passing plays, he gets rid of the ball quickly. it's more about Eli then it is about our line.

    As for the Palmer thing, we're going to have to disagree. I'll be honest, every game I saw the Bengals win, especially this season, was more a result of their opponents errors/deficiencies then ANYTHING the Bengals do. Palmer had a chance to be transcendent type player, but the "Sweep the Leg" by on Kimo Van Olhoeffen (sp?) of the (get ready for it) Pittsburgh Steeler has permanently lowered his ceiling.
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    Palmer played four games this year. If you play four games its kind of hard to have a meaningful impact on how things go for your team over the course of the season.

    Ryan Fitzpatrick started the other twelve games. I will grant that Eli is a better QB than Ryan Fitzpatrick.

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