Page 2 of 6 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 10 to 18 of 46

Thread: Duke Lacrosse case being dropped...finally!

  1. #10
    Olympic Champ RYou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    New Jersey
    Posts
    8,376

    Default

    For the top prosecutor to lambast Nifong in the news conference like he has, he clearly saw gross negligence. Nifong is no snot nosed little runt running this show, but a highly experienced prosecutor. let's face it, Nifong got caught with his hand in the election jar.

    From MSNBC
    North Carolina?s top prosecutor dropped all charges Wednesday against the three former Duke lacrosse players accused of sexually assaulting a stripper at a party, saying the athletes were innocent victims of a ?tragic rush to accuse? by an overreaching district attorney.

    ?There were many points in the case where caution would have served justice better than bravado,? North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper said in a damning assessment of Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong?s handling of the sensational, racially charged case. ?In the rush to condemn, a community and a state lost the ability to see clearly.?
    Last edited by RYou; 04-11-2007 at 07:41 PM.

  2. #11
    Olympic Champ RYou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    New Jersey
    Posts
    8,376

    Default

    The remaining downside, dropping the charges does not expunge the arrest from their personal records. They'll have to spend a few thou to go through the process of having all traces of the "arrest record" erased. Unfortuantely, even the top presecutor cannot wave a magic wand and delete. They'll have to run it through a judge.

    If you've filed an employment application recently, you'll recognize the qyestion " You ever been arrested." Not, "Have you ever been convicted."

  3. #12
    Olympic Champ
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    It's a long way from East Colorado
    Posts
    3,740

    Default

    Oh, c'mon, these boys are unlikely to face any sort of employment barriers based on their arrest. You think they're going to be looking for jobs in the black part of Durham? They're more likely to get a book deal, or possibly milk the talk circuit if they're so inclined. Everyone will be eager to buy them drinks, secure in the knowledge that a poor black woman was put in her place.

  4. #13

    Default

    "Everyone will be eager to buy them drinks, secure in the knowledge that a poor black woman was put in her place."

    Holy smokes, Matclone. This is coming off as very bitter. There are a lot of ways to describe/predict the aftermath other than with the words you have chosen.

    Is this a story or not? Didn't Jesse Jackson insert himself? Didn't Al Sharpton publicly label the boys (or three of them) as rapists?

    I know you like to blame the media for sensationalizing this, but I think they (the media) had willing partners in this case.

    What should be the consequences for the boys? Certainly there was a "conspiracy to hire strippers". Not sure what the legal or adminitrative (college admin) punishment is for that. Well they should suffer it. I suspect they could make a counter-claim that they have already suffered more, including financially.

    How about the consequences for the complaintant? Mr. Jackson has already promised to provide for her. Should anything else happen?

    What would be a just ending for all concerned?

    The Boys?
    The Girl?
    Mr. Nifong?
    Last edited by LkwdSteve; 04-11-2007 at 04:54 PM.

  5. #14

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Oh, c'mon, these boys are unlikely to face any sort of employment barriers based on their arrest. You think they're going to be looking for jobs in the black part of Durham? They're more likely to get a book deal, or possibly milk the talk circuit if they're so inclined. Everyone will be eager to buy them drinks, secure in the knowledge that a poor black woman was put in her place.

    Good god, you have gone off the rails. "Put in her place"? So, you're defending her in some way? She wrongly accused these guys of raping her. They could have ended up in jail, instead of looking for a job in the "black part of Durham" as you say.

    Yeah, it's great that maybe they'll be able to get a book deal, or milk the talk circuit. I'm sure that makes it all worth it for them.

    I usually disagree with your postings, but you at least have coherent positions. You lost me on this one.

  6. #15

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieJ2 View Post
    It would be a better context if these were innocent choir boys who were taken advantage of, but THEY hired the strippers so I have a hard time feeling sorry for them.

    All the more reason to keep your college student children as broke as possible.
    So, when guys hire strippers, it's ok if the strippers falsely accuse them of rape? They deserved it somehow?

    If she would have actually been raped, would you have not felt sorry for her, and said that she knew what she was getting herself into, taking her clothes off in a room full of drunk and horny college students?

  7. #16
    Olympic Champ
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    It's a long way from East Colorado
    Posts
    3,740

    Default

    "Everyone will be eager to buy them drinks, secure in the knowledge that a poor black woman was put in her place."

    Holy smokes, Matclone. This is coming off as very bitter. There are a lot of ways to describe/predict the aftermath other than with the words you have chosen.

    Is this a story or not?


    I don't mean to sound bitter, but I've had my fill, and I'm just expressing what I think a lot of people are thinking. Notwithstanding the story of apparent injustice the boys have faced, which has been covered from sea to shining sea, this is also the story about class in America, which has been generally ignored except to implicitly glory in its existence.

    Didn't Jesse Jackson insert himself? Didn't Al Sharpton publicly label the boys (or three of them) as rapists?

    I know you like to blame the media for sensationalizing this, but I think they (the media) had willing partners in this case.


    I think it would be been a story without Jackson and Sharpton, and I don't believe I've heard or read directly any of their comments.

    What should be the consequences for the boys? Certainly there was a "conspiracy to hire strippers". Not sure what the legal or adminitrative (college admin) punishment is for that. Well they should suffer it. I suspect they could make a counter-claim that they have already suffered more, including financially.

    I didn't know it was against the college rules to do that sort of thing. But if so, it would be reasonable for them to claim they have already paid for their offence.

    How about the consequences for the complaintant?

    Shame and embarrassment.

    Mr. Jackson has already promised to provide for her. Should anything else happen?

    I don't know for sure, but I thought I read that JJ offered to pay for her education, as opposed to living expenses. Also, I assume that was in conjunction with the initial charge, in which he would reasonably assume was true. It doesn't necessarily hold that the offer still stands.

    What would be a just ending for all concerned?

    The Boys?
    The Girl?
    Mr. Nifong?


    Boys--make the most of their lives. Learn something from the incident

    Girl--make something of her life. Learn something from the incident.

    Nifong--he faces serious charges, not the least which is disbarment (loss of profession and reputation). He will likely pay the paper.
    Last edited by matclone; 04-11-2007 at 06:08 PM.

  8. #17
    Olympic Champ
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    It's a long way from East Colorado
    Posts
    3,740

    Default

    Good god, you have gone off the rails. "Put in her place"?

    That's the underlying attitude I perceive. Sorry if it offends anyone.

    So, you're defending her in some way?

    Not in the way you insinuate. Let me just point out there is more than one side to any story, including this one. That's why even the worst of criminals are entitled to a defense and a fair trial. But all I'm hearing, and you're hearing is one side. That's what I find so irritating. My comments are just meant to provide some balance or at least an alternate view. Otherwise, why don't we just go back to the good old days of vigilante justice (I frequently hear a call to do just that).

  9. #18

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Good god, you have gone off the rails. "Put in her place"?

    That's the underlying attitude I perceive. Sorry if it offends anyone.

    So, you're defending her in some way?

    Not in the way you insinuate. Let me just point out there is more than one side to any story, including this one. That's why even the worst of criminals are entitled to a defense and a fair trial. But all I'm hearing, and you're hearing is one side. That's what I find so irritating. My comments are just meant to provide some balance or at least an alternate view. Otherwise, why don't we just go back to the good old days of vigilante justice (I frequently hear a call to do just that).
    We overwhelmingly heard her side of the story (the lying side of the story) for months. Now we're hearing the truth, and it turns out that she had no concern for the lives of the people she falsely accused. She hid in anonymity and tried to ruin people's lives. Let's put her on trial, I'm all for it.

    This, to me, isn't a story about class in America, it's the story of a liar who almost ruined the lives of innocent young men. Those young guys could be a bunch of pr*cks that have money, think the world owes them, etc... (although I have no knowledge either way), but they didn't deserve to be falsely accused of rape. I honestly can't believe that anyone would take her side at this point.

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •