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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38347400/?GT1=43001

    If cheer leading is not considered a female sport, could we see more wrestling programs dropped as people bring more title IX suites against schools?

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    I could be way off here, but doesn't Cal Poly raise their own money to run the wrestling program? If so, would a program like that be subject to Title IX or do they do it because of Title IX?

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    If so, would a program like that be subject to Title IX
    Yes, they remain subject to T IX, scholarship offerings are only one aspect. Div III schools that can't offer schollies are subject to T IX. At issue is the equal opportunity to participate in athletics.

    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    or do they do it because of Title IX?
    All schools must be wary of the ratio of male to female schollies as the must be proportional to the male / female undergrad population on campus. If a school suddenly gets endowed to put up 9.9 wrestling scholarships, then it could through the male / female ratio of scholarships out of balance. You may recall that when Bucknell was endowed to reinstate wrestling a few years back, the benefactor also had to fund a female sport equally, or the school would not / could not accept the endowment without throwing it's T IX ratioes out of whack.

    This court decision may well put U Maryland out of compliance since their female numbers counted their varsity cheer team. Same for Oregon State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    Yes, they remain subject to T IX, scholarship offerings are only one aspect. Div III schools that can't offer schollies are subject to T IX. At issue is the equal opportunity to participate in athletics.



    All schools must be wary of the ratio of male to female schollies as the must be proportional to the male / female undergrad population on campus. If a school suddenly gets endowed to put up 9.9 wrestling scholarships, then it could through the male / female ratio of scholarships out of balance. You may recall that when Bucknell was endowed to reinstate wrestling a few years back, the benefactor also had to fund a female sport equally, or the school would not / could not accept the endowment without throwing it's T IX ratioes out of whack.

    This court decision may well put U Maryland out of compliance since their female numbers counted their varsity cheer team. Same for Oregon State.
    So, is Title IX just dealing with scholorships? If so, don't cheerleaders get scholorships?

    I appologize for my ignorance on this subject, but I thought it just dealt with percentages of participants, not scholorships. I thought, for example, if your school was made up of 60% men and 40% women, then your athletics had to have the same type of ratio. In order to get that ratio, schools had to drop all men sports like wrestling because sports like football carried so many men and it wasn't off-set by any woman's sport. Thank you for your knowledge.

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    So, is Title IX just dealing with scholorships?

    No, it's participation ratioes.

    If so, don't cheerleaders get scholorships?

    Only at U Maryland and U Oregon as far as I know. Maybe Baylor.

    At present only 7 schools have formally declared Competitive Cheer (not the sideline cheerleaders) as a varsity sport.

    # Azusa Pacific University, California
    # Baylor University, Texas
    # Fairmont State University, West Virginia
    # Fort Valley State, Georgia
    # University of Maryland
    # University of Oregon
    # Quinnipiac University, Connecticut
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    Apropos of nothing--a young girl has filed a new law suit against (Georgia),the state to which she is moving from Indiana, to ensure Title IX will be universally applied ???
    Seems this sophomore basketball player is moving from Indiana to GA. and wants to ensure she will not be cut from the GA. team .The article was in today's Indianapolis Star and was poorly written and dealt with a topic I find repugnant .Google at your own peril .

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    I would consider cheerleaders athletes. They do a lot of gymnastics in their performances. I think most of them would consider themselves athletes, too. Why wouldn't women's lib groups be behind them on getting athlete status and therefore, scholorships?

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    From the article: "An activity can be considered a sport under Title IX if it meets specific criteria. It must have coaches, practices, competitions during a defined season and a governing organization. The activity also must have competition as its primary goal — not merely the support of other athletic teams."
    There's no such thing as a pretty good aligator wrestler.

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    Payton,
    The only Title IX story I see in the Indy Star around that time is about the basketball scheduling ... nothing about any transfer to keep a starting spot. Can you direct me to it? I've googled it extensively.

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