View Poll Results: Do you want your kids imbibing legally and whenever at 18 ?

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    6 42.86%
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    Been there done that....I don't think the reasoning supports relowering the drinking age.

    Debate on lower drinking age bubbling up
    Proponents say current restriction drives teen alcohol use underground

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20249460/

    By Alex Johnson
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    Updated: 12:14 p.m. ET Aug 14, 2007

    Over the strong objection of federal safety officials, a quiet movement to lower the legal drinking age to 18 is taking root as advocates argue that teenagers who are allowed to vote and fight for their country should also be able to enjoy a beer or two.

    The proposal, which is the subject of a national petition drive by the National Youth Rights Association, has been studied in a handful of states in recent years, including Florida, Wisconsin, Vermont and Missouri, where supporters are pushing a ballot initiative.

    Opponents of the idea point to a reported rise in binge drinking as teenagers increasingly turn to hard liquor as proof that minors should not be allowed to drink, but proponents look at the same data and draw the opposite conclusion.

    ?Raising the drinking age to 21 was passed with the very best of intentions, but it?s had the very worst of outcomes,? said David J. Hanson, an alcohol policy expert at the State University of New York-Potsdam. ?Just like during national Prohibition, the law has pushed and forced underage drinking and youthful drinking underground, where we have no control over it.?

    But Mark Rosenker, chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board, countered: ?Why would we repeal or weaken laws that save lives? It doesn?t make sense.?

    Different laws in different states
    As it happens, there is no such thing as a ?federal legal drinking age.? Many states do not expressly prohibit minors from drinking alcohol, although most of those do set certain conditions, such as its use in a religious ceremony or in the presence of a parent or other guardian.

    The phrase refers instead to a patchwork of state laws adopted in the mid-1980s under pressure from Congress, which threatened in 1984 to withhold 10 percent of federal highway funds from states that did not prohibit selling alcohol to those under the age of 21. By 1988, all 50 states had complied.

    Libertarian groups and some conservative economic foundations, seeing the age limits as having been extorted by Washington, have long championed lowering the drinking age. But in recent years, many academics and non-partisan policy groups have joined their cause for a different reason: The age restriction does not work, they say. Drinking has gone on behind closed doors and underground, where responsible adults cannot keep an eye on it.

    ?It does not reduce drinking. It has simply put young adults at greater risk,? said John M. McCardell, former president of Middlebury College in Vermont, who this year set up a non-profit organization called Choose Responsibility to push for a lower drinking age.

    McCardell offers what he calls a simple challenge:

    ?The law was changed in 1984, and the law had a very specific purpose, and that was to prohibit drinking among those under the age of 21,? he said. ?The only way to measure the success of that law is to ask ourselves whether, 23 years later, those under 21 are not drinking.?

    So are they?

    The federal government?s National Survey on Drug Use and Health found that in 2005, the most recent year for which complete figures are available, 85 percent of 20-year-old Americans reported that they had used alcohol. Two out of five said they had binged ? that is, consumed five or more drinks at one time ? within the previous month.

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    Yea... it's ludicrous that people can defend our country, but can't buy a beer. My one fear is that some high schoolers would be able to drink, but education and parental involvement is key here.

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    McCardell offers what he calls a simple challenge:

    “The law was changed in 1984, and the law had a very specific purpose, and that was to prohibit drinking among those under the age of 21,” he said. “The only way to measure the success of that law is to ask ourselves whether, 23 years later, those under 21 are not drinking.”


    What a bullshit argument. The purpose of the law was likely to save lives, not to select an arbitrary age at which to eliminate drinking. Moreover, the law may have more than one purpose. The fact that some may not have complied with the law, does not render it unsuccessful. Substitute "prohibit drinking among those under age 21" with "prohibit driving over 70 miles per hour" and see how ridiculous this sounds.

    Does anyone think the liquor industry could have a hand in the movement to lower the drinking age? The article doesn't mention that possibility.

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    Does the author of the article support one side of the issue or another, or is he pretty neutral? What evidence?

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    It's a pointless law in my opinion. I know I can get any kind of alcohol whenever I want it and have been able to for quite some time and I'm still a couple months from 21. I'm not an exception either. I do however control myself unlike others however. I may party every now and then but I know of some people my age and younger that drink a case a weekend and a case during the week with no problem. Basically the only difference between 21 year olds 20 year olds is where they drink. I party at people's houses while "responsible adults" often party at bars.

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    I guess I don't see what effect lowering the drinking age will have or is supposed to have. No matter what age it is, those that want to drink will find a way to do it.

    As with all things, like bluestater said, education and parental involvement are key. I am not naive enough to think that if my parents had let me drink beer around the house that I would never do it without their supervision. But they always asked where I was going, when was I going to be home, who was going to be there, etc. A little personal responsibility and common sense goes a long way.
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    I agree with Chenoweth and ISU, to the effect that those who want to drink, will drink. Its just about acting responsibly, and knowing how to handle yourself if you decide to.
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    I stradle the fence on this one. On one hand I believe if people fight and vote and can be tried as an adult then let them drink. On the other hand I believe that if you lowered the drinking age to 18 then the availability of alcohol to minors is greater. For the simple fact that more 16yr old kids hang with 18yr old kids than they do 21yr olds. I fo 18yr old kids could resist the peer pressure to buy for minors than so be it. AZ held out as long as they could with the drinking age, until the feds threatened to stop funding the roads and highways.

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    After reading that article on msnbc, I found out that it is legal to consume alcohol in Missouri at 18, it's just illegal to purchase it. Turns out I wasn't as much of an outlaw in college as I thought!

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