View Poll Results: Do you want your kids imbibing legally and whenever at 18 ?

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  • Yea....They vote, they fight get themselves sick too.

    5 35.71%
  • Nea....Been there done that, we learned a lesson.

    6 42.86%
  • Hiccup...What was the question?

    3 21.43%
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Thread: Drop the Drinking Age Yea or Nea

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    My 2 cents, if you lower the drinking age, and individuals want that responsibility, stiffen the dui laws, and apply them, period, and no consideration for age. When someone takes on that responsibility then accept the consequences. Alcohol related deaths are one of the top related causes of death for persons under 21. Personally, I am for mandatory jail time for a first offense. Then for those doing it now, I am a firm believer in individual choice, but as a part of that choice is the acceptance and consequences that come from illegal activity. I am certain that Curtis is responsible, at least most of the time I have seen him. But...., is everyone at those parties responsible? Do any of them drive home? Have any of them been stopped for dui in the past? Has the punishment been severe enough to keep them from doing it again? These are all questions deserving an answer because these crimes don’t just affect the person drinking, they affect the remainder of the public who may, and have, been affected because of a bad decision of someone drinking who is underage.

    As one who lost a family member to someone driving dui, and have had to go to court and see other close friends who have lost someone as a result of someone driving while under the influence. I can tell you, the majority of the time, the punishment is not severe enough and those people keep on driving under the influence, some multiple times before getting caught, and truth is, some many more times than that, each time endangering the lives of someone’s child, mother, brother, sister, father, or friend. For one that wants to see some shocking statistics, one only has to google teen drinking. I would like to hear arguments against some of those statistics that are legitimate and hold water. I am in favor of lowering the age, but likely more so to 19 or 20, at this point, most people will have a better understanding of responsibility and a higher level of maturity due to the stresses of being out of High School, not for all, but for some. There is also good research to support this position which can be seen through various sources, available on the web. Another interesting point is that some credit the Republican Party for the push to lower the drinking age. Why? Ask about the Bush daughters that have been stopped multiple times at the age of 19. Not making this up, just reporting the facts.
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    I vote no.

    Bluestater: Unless things have changed and I don't think it has, active enlisted/commissioned members of the Armed Services are allowed to drink alcohol on government installations as long as they are 18 years of age or older. There may have been additional restrictions such as only in the clubs. I also recall the commanding officer must designated/authorize his base to do this and in my experience many, perhaps most, did. Maybe a more recent veteran can clarify this.

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    Bluestater, I read the following, from the MSNBC article, to indicate that drinking under 21 in most states is illegal expect for certain specified conditions. Admittedly it is vague. I'm not sure why the author even chose to go down this path.

    As it happens, there is no such thing as a “federal legal drinking age.” Many states do not expressly prohibit minors from drinking alcohol, although most of those do set certain conditions, such as its use in a religious ceremony or in the presence of a parent or other guardian.

    pm-01, I am not a recent veteran, but your summary of the status of drinking on military installations is exactly as I remember it. In addition, I'm certain base commanders still have the authority you describe.

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    Interesting, drinking has a long tradition in the military. I remember a SSgt from North Carolina telling me one time, somewhat facetiously, that he joined the Corps so he could smoke, drink, and cuss.

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    Furches brings up a great point. Sure other countries have lower drinking ages and fewer alcohol-related deaths. But the punishment for alcohol-related offenses are HUGE in other countries. On the order of losing your license for life and serious jail time. So again it goes back to personal responsibility, and in absence of that, responsibility of the legal system to punish the offenders. I know several people who have driven drunk and got caught, and as much as I like them, I wouldn't feel bad at all if they had some real serious punishment.
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    Other countries also have a different culture with respect to drinking. Unless you live in a cave, here in the U.S., you're constantly bombarded with messages that drinking is cool and it's something everyone does. I remember when my youngest son said one day (I'm guessing he was 11 or 12), "I can't wait to grow up so I can drink LOTS of beer".

    Yes, individuals need to face the consequences of their actions. However, I suggest we need to also look at the larger picture, including the cultural influence of non-stop advertisments, and not just ascribe it all to a question of "personal responsibility".

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    Okay, so I guess it's okay to be hoisting them with my 20 year old daughter at the Rutgers tailgates ?

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