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    Default Do Wrestlers "Cheat"?

    Brothers and Sisters, I posted this on the "other" forum and wanted to share this question with the bright minds living on this side of the tracks :

    After surviving a week of defending my favorite baseball player against accusations of cheating (the most vigorous accuser was a brother who ironically ended up proudly admitting having access to blatent cheating on his term papers and exams in college!) it made me think about our great sport and the degree to which our athletes perform honestly.

    My take is that we are a pretty straight forward sport. I have wrestled and coached wrestling for over 30 years, at every level from kids wrestling to D1,2,&3 collegiate to international freestyle,greco and sombo.

    The vast, vast majority of wrestlers whom I have known and/or competed against competed honestly. I have run into a couple of guys who would skirt the technical aspects of the rules (applying chokes in front headlocks, stepping on opponents feet while taking a quick shot, twisting a wrist while applying a 2 on 1, etc.) and 3 or 4 guys who I KNOW were using steroids while competing.

    I have also known a couple of coaches who were less than honest in their dealings with recruits.

    What about you guys/ladies? Do you think that we are an "honest" sport and what experiences, if any, have you had with wrestlers "cheating" at any level and in any manner?
    Last edited by MOJO; 08-17-2007 at 03:09 PM. Reason: To make it easier to read, paragraphs are your friends brother mojo...;-)

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    I think that our sport is one of the cleanest. Without that big pot of money at the end of the rainbow I think that the pressure to win at all costs is not as great as those sports that have a highly paid professional side to them. Are there exceptions to the rule? I am sure that there have been a few but the vast majority have done it right. I would be crushed to find out otherwise.

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    I 1st thing that popped into my mind was kids staying down when slammed when they are not really hurt.

    I guess you could consider this cheating.

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    I think most wrestlers take their cue from their coach. If the coach encourages or even tolerates cheating, the wrestler will follow along. If they know that he is a straight arrow and won't put up with it, they will (maybe after testing him once or twice) accept his standards. It is the coach's responsibility to teach what is and is not acceptable behavior on (and off) the mat. If he is not doing this properly, he shouldn't be coaching.

    As I have said before, a win which was not honestly achieved is a hollow victory and nothing to be proud of.
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    I think that because of the open, extremely visible nature of the sport, with the ref usually not more than three feet away from the action, it's harder to cheat in wrestling than in a lot of other sports. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen; it's just easier to catch.

    I can't really speak to the steroids thing, because that's more locker room info that this gal isn't privy to.

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    Brother Ground & Pound - I'm from Philly, by way of Tempe, AZ and San Francisco/Sacramento, CA.

    Brother Hardcore, Good question, does the general lack of big-time $$$ make wrestlers less likely to cheat.

    Brother Spider- good point regarding athletes taking cues from coaches. I wonder where the breakdown in this check & balance is in high cheating sports like track & field and cycling? ps - I'm glad you checked in on this question, it is partially in response to a discussion you and I had on cheating last week.

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    Having had a little while to think this over there is something looming on the horizon that bears watching. MMA is now becoming a big money sport and has already had a few fighters test positive for steroids. Will this be the catalyist for abuse in our sport? Quite a few high school wrestlers are starting to work out in MMA facilities in the off season. If they perceive this as the way to the big time then wrestling at the higher levels will start to see more and more of this. Like Spider said the coaches at all levels will be called upon to keep the sport pure and honest. It will not be an easy task.

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    Right or wrong...it seems that the wrestler mentality is to drop weight rather than to bulk up.

    Maybe this could explain why there seems to be less steroid use in our sport compared to some others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO View Post
    Brother Ground & Pound - I'm from Philly, by way of Tempe, AZ and San Francisco/Sacramento, CA.

    Brother Hardcore, Good question, does the general lack of big-time $$$ make wrestlers less likely to cheat.

    Brother Spider- good point regarding athletes taking cues from coaches. I wonder where the breakdown in this check & balance is in high cheating sports like track & field and cycling? ps - I'm glad you checked in on this question, it is partially in response to a discussion you and I had on cheating last week.
    I think that the individual nature of track and field, cycling, and I think you can throw swimming in there, too, keep coaches at arms length from their athletes. Of course, coaches are important in those sports, but those athletes have more chances for individual endeavors. In wrestling, the athletes have literal contact with their coaches, so I think they feel the coach's influence much more.

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