I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth, out to a nice seafood dinner and never call her again!
Tell me about it, this morning, I woke up and I shit a squirrel, but what I can't get is the damn thing is still alive. So now, I've got a shit covered squirrel running around my office and I don't know what to name it.
"We had 4 file cabinets in the basement that contained notes and tests from evey prof and every course. You'd be amazed at how many profs replicate their tests term to term without changing a comma. We knew which ones did and those that didn't.
We had term papers on about topic imaginable and a strict rule they were not to copied verbatim (don't want to plagiarize you know). You had to leave a $20 deposit if you wanted to borrow something. Our chair of academic affairs was required to review every paper before it was handed in just to be sure it wasn't plagiarized, then you got your $20 back when you turned in the graded paper and the originals. You always had to add to the paper in some way based on feedback from p[ast grading."
This admission is coming from the dude who got so bent out of shape in his belief that BONDS cheated?!? Methinks thou dost protest too much. Perhaps your diploma deserves an asterisk.
btw- Barry was a frat boy at ASU too. I never held it against him though.
"I would have had to burn your frat house down for that."
Pretty brainless to risk 20 years and all over your own doing don't you think.[/QUOTE]
It would have been a bit risky but not undeserved. I have always had a serious issue with people putting their bodily fluids on me if I didnt ask them to. Anyway I would not have struck the match.
Oh, but it's okay to go peeing on someone elses property inside their house.
3% of the university student population cause 80% of the problems on any given campus mostly because they lack respect for the environment and people they are among. Consider yourself classified.
3% of the university student population cause 80% of the problems on any given campus mostly because they lack respect for the environment and people they are among. Consider yourself classified.[/QUOTE]
I didnt say I was right for doing it, it just kind of happened. It wasnt like it was someones clothes or bed it was pictures. I have seen a lot people pee on a lot of stuff and everyone usualy laughs it off or maybe fight, but eight guys tossing me off of a balcony is a little extreme.
As to your stat I wonder what % would be frat guys, probably more than you care to admit.
Relieving yourself on some frat photos is nothing in comparison to an entire frat house cheating its way to a diploma. It demeans the hard work and effort of those that did it the right way.
Besides you and I both know that the vast majority of profs are aware of the potential for such shenanigans and alter their tests and such each term to prevent replication. It was of little value for your core courses like math and engineering where you just can't fake it.
You still ran the risk of a change on a test, so it's not like you didn't have to put the effort in and learn the material. So many have TAs preparing the work, so things do change. I have to admit though, having a dossier on the style of test question structure, tendencies toward what was important to test knowledge and grading for a prof gives you a distinct advantage. And, like I said, our chair of academic affairs made sure there was sufficent change that the paper couldn't be deemed plagiarized.
Ugly, if I walked into your house and defecated on your belongings, I'm pretty sure that you would kick my a**. Sorry, but you deserved it.
As for calling test files cheating, I'm sorry but that's just not right either. There is nothing wrong with becoming familiar with a prof's test style, or grading style. We also had test files in my dorm, and the football team had an unofficial one. I've also had TAs offer me old exams. Professors know about the test files and they don't keep the same exams from year to year. When I worked on a group project my senior year and two members of my group plagiarized, I was the only Greek in the bunch-and the only one who didn't cheat.
For fraternity guys as a whole, of course there were tools, just like there were tools on the wrestling team, in the dorms, etc. And yes, sometimes my wrestler friends gave me crap for my friendship with fraternity guys, and vice versa. However, most of the Greek guys at Mizzou were good, decent people and don't deserve the lambasting that they're getting here.