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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ Kind View Post
    If Selig didn't want to be there, then he shouldn't have been there. He looked like most of us would look if our wife/girlfriend made us go to an opera.
    LOL! Yeah Brother Champ Kind, but unlike old Bud, if we agreed to go to the opera, most of would have the balls and integrity to not try and ruin the event for our ladies and the rest of the audience by *****ing and moaning about it throughout the whole affair! As most of you know, I am a long time Barry Bonds fan (his dad was my favorite player when I was a boy, he shook my hand and rubbed my head when I was 9 at a Giants game and it made me the happiest boy on the planet ) and I recognize that I am biased, but c'mon, we are talking about a guy who took performance enhancing drugs, not a child molester, a dog fighter/killer, a wife beater, or a drunk driver, (which all have been roles taken on by various sports figures in the past few years). The way Selig and a number of historical sportswriters are acting, Bonds offense is worse than that of anyone currently incarcerated in Pelican Bay! Give me a break and a bit of perspective, please!

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    I'm with MOJO and most of the rest. Bonds is unfairly singled out. Hammerin' Hank himself played in an era where Amphetamines were rampantly used by ballplayers, so who's to say HIS record isn't tainted. We have similar amounts of evidence, that is almost none.

    Bonds is vilified because he's an A-hole, not because of steroid use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO View Post
    . . . c'mon, we are talking about a guy who took performance enhancing drugs, not a child molester, a dog fighter/killer, a wife beater, or a drunk driver, (which all have been roles taken on by various sports figures in the past few years). The way Selig and a number of historical sportswriters are acting, Bonds offense is worse than that of anyone currently incarcerated in Pelican Bay! Give me a break and a bit of perspective, please!
    No, he's not a despicable character, but he is about to claim ownership by false pretenses of a record that was honestly and fairly achieved in the past. In perspective, it's not a heinous crime, but it is a tarnish on the purity of the game which is immortalizing him (and which Bud Selig represents). Outside the realm of baseball, it's no worse than the guy at the local gym who juices up so he can impress people at the beach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    No, he's not a despicable character, but he is about to claim ownership by false pretenses of a record that was honestly and fairly achieved in the past. In perspective, it's not a heinous crime, but it is a tarnish on the purity of the game which is immortalizing him (and which Bud Selig represents). Outside the realm of baseball, it's no worse than the guy at the local gym who juices up so he can impress people at the beach.
    We don't know that the record was fairly achieved. We assume it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VakAttack View Post
    We don't know that the record was fairly achieved. We assume it was.
    If not, I'll rescind my post . Either way, today's chemicals give a player a much greater edge than the chemicals of yesteryear.
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    But if everyone, either now or in previous eras, uses the same chemicals as their peers are they actually gaining any edge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    If not, I'll rescind my post . Either way, today's chemicals give a player a much greater edge than the chemicals of yesteryear.
    LOL. Fair enough. All I'm saying is that Aaron played in an era where amphetamines (Greenies) were rampant.

    Really, my MAJOR thought is this:

    Cheating is as much of a tradition of baseball as Cracker Jacks. From sign stealing, to amphetamines, to spitballers, to pine tar (snicker), to corked bats, to performance enhancing drugs. Are we now deciding what is "fair cheating" and what is "unfair cheating"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    But if everyone, either now or in previous eras, uses the same chemicals as their peers are they actually gaining any edge?
    No, but they're all breaking the rules and thus invalidating any achievements to which they lay claim. The best guy may still be the best guy, but he isn't really as good as his stats proclaim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    No, he's not a despicable character, but he is about to claim ownership by false pretenses of a record that was honestly and fairly achieved in the past. In perspective, it's not a heinous crime, but it is a tarnish on the purity of the game which is immortalizing him (and which Bud Selig represents). Outside the realm of baseball, it's no worse than the guy at the local gym who juices up so he can impress people at the beach.
    Brother Spider,
    I don't think it can fairly be called "false pretenses". It isn't like he didn't actually hit all 755+ home runs. How much the "cream & clear" contributed to his already gargantuan ability is highly debatable (although most would agree that it has allowed him to stay in the game and perform at a high level longer than one would expect from a ball player). Bonds was a great hitter before the BALCO scandel and had a pretty outrageous work-out regime that is also partially responsible for his late-age results. Even the gym juicer you referenced still had to go and lift the weights to develop the body he hopes to impress with.

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