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Old 09-15-2008, 10:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Smoking ban in PA at last

The statewide smoking ban in bars & restaurants finally went into effect over the weekend.




I've become less and less tolerant of smoking with age.

It used to not bother me, now I can't stand it.
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Smoking ban in PA at last

I LOVE our smoking ban in Illinois. If anything, I go to bars and restaurants more now knowing that I won't come home smelling like an ashtray.
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Old 09-15-2008, 11:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i hope i can still smoke crack
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Old 09-15-2008, 11:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Smoking ban in PA at last

It'll probably never pass in North Carolina, being such a major tobacco-producing state. But at least it's banned in Chapel Hill, and has been for a long time.
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Default Re: Smoking ban in PA at last

Iowa has a ban. I love being able to go to a bar without inhaling two packs, but I don't like the ban. I say let the establishment owners make the decision on smoking.
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Old 09-15-2008, 11:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: Smoking ban in PA at last

Originally Posted by ISU2008 View Post
Iowa has a ban. I love being able to go to a bar without inhaling two packs, but I don't like the ban. I say let the establishment owners make the decision on smoking.
I agree with the ban in restaurants, but in placing in which you have to be 18/21 to enter it should be up to the owner. You choose to go into those places and assume the risk of doing so. Kids don't always have much of a choice to go into a restaurant.

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Old 09-16-2008, 12:32 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Grips, what's that mean for Brendos?
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Old 09-16-2008, 12:40 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I agree with the ban in restaurants, but in placing in which you have to be 18/21 to enter it should be up to the owner. You choose to go into those places and assume the risk of doing so. Kids don't always have much of a choice to go into a restaurant.

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I think its dumb that they ban them in anyone's place of business. Someone owns the place and the government comes in, decides it's unsafe, and tells you that it can't be done anymore.

Rhetorical question time, which has killed more people: drunk drivers or cigarette smokers? Yet, they let them send as many drunks out into the streets as they please.

I was thrilled to see it happen for my personal benefit, but I think they should be allowed to choose to allow it and put a sign on the door.
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Old 09-16-2008, 01:10 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I think its dumb that they ban them in anyone's place of business. Someone owns the place and the government comes in, decides it's unsafe, and tells you that it can't be done anymore.

Rhetorical question time, which has killed more people: drunk drivers or cigarette smokers? Yet, they let them send as many drunks out into the streets as they please.

I was thrilled to see it happen for my personal benefit, but I think they should be allowed to choose to allow it and put a sign on the door.
First of all, having, a long time ago, been in the restaurant business, a restaurantuer is NOT allowed to "send as many drunks out into the streets as they please". Send an impaired driver out, assume the liability. Does that mean that bars cut everybody off? No. But if the driver is impaired, and you serve them, and they get into an accident, be ready to get sued for everything you ever thought you would own. Happens all of the time in California.
Secondly, yes, the customers have the option of entering or not. However, the employees don't. Sidestream and second-hand smoke are major health threats for everyone exposed. When you work as a waiter or bartender in a smoking establishment, you are smoking all night long, even if you don't light up.
The smoking ban in bars and restaurants has been in place in California for about 15 years. Everyone has adjusted. The smokers will go outside to get a fix during the evening, which is an inconvenience, but less of an inconvenience for them than their smoke is for everyone else. The ban is being expanded to other areas, including some outdoor venues. You can't smoke at a sports stadium, except in certain locations. Some cities have banned smoking in open-air food markets (farmer's markets). There is no smoking allowed anywhere on a school campus. (Anybody remember the days of opening the door to the teacher's lounge to what looked like a room on fire?) I really expect, within the next 10 to 15 years, for smoking anywhere outside the home or automobile to be banned. There are currently lawsuits in progress between condo owners because a smoker's smoke enters, through windows, or the smell through the walls and floors, a non-smoker's home. The non-smokers are saying that it makes their home unlivable. Smoking is a dying habit - literally and figuratively.
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Old 09-16-2008, 01:18 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Just as miners know the risk and hazards of mining, servers at places that allow smoking should know the risks associated with it. No matter the job you assume the risks that go along with it. Doctors and their secretaries could be exposed to the flu, should they ban people that have the flu from going to the doctor? If the person does not like that work environment they should not apply for a job there. I don't like working on roofs in 90+ temperatures during the summer, so I'm not a roofer.

The thing that is stupid about the smoking law(at least around here) is that all the smokers huddle just outside the door, so you get a great taste of smoke as you go into and come out of the bar or restaurant. Its not much of a problem during the summer, but during the winter its worse as people aren't hanging out outside when its snowing out.
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