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    This is a really good debate. Too bad I have to go do some work, but I'll be back.
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    I'm a smoker living in California, as Mike has explained a ban has been effect for 15 years, I've adjusted - no problem. At home I only smoke outside or in my garage and never smoke in the car.

    On a another note, I work in Kuwait where currently it is the holy month of Ramadan and western expats MUST observe the fasting period from sun up to sun down which includes eating, drinking or smoking, unless we do it out of sight of Muslins. The police can actually arrest a person for not following custom.

    For the time being we all smoke inside.

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    I have had several jobs where I worked around and with dangerous chemicals.

    To work there I was given the information on material data safety sheets explaining each chemical that was used or handled at that facility. I had the option to work there or not.
    So the company took reasonable precautions (educating you on the proper way to handle these chemicals) in order to protect the saftey of their employees? Are these saftey precautions mandated by the government (perhaps through OSHA)? or did the company do it out of the goodness of their hearts?
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    Okay, I'll say it one more time. Here are the two alternatives:

    1. My freedom to utilize any establishment I want without endangering my health.

    2. The smoker's freedom to smoke wherever he wants (except the places you elaborated above).

    Either way someone doesn't get to do what he wants to do, and I think #1 supercedes #2. I may well be self righteous, but I think it makes perfect sense.

    Despite what you seem to think you are not free to utilize any establishment you want.

    A business owner can bar anyone from their establishment as long as it is not based on race or religion.

    A business owner could for example bar anyone who is a non smoker from their business and would be within their rights to do so.

    You again are trying to impose your desires over the rights of others.
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    You have the CHOICE to use that privately owned business or not.

    You have the CHOICE whether or not to "expose" yourself to the dangers of smoke filled air.

    You are trying to restrict others from having a CHOICE.

    A business that allows smoking would be an inherently dangerous place, you have the CHOICE whether or not to go there or work there. It is exactly the same thing as a dynamite plant in that respect.

    You wanting to be lazy about having to make a choice should not deny others the right to choose.
    I assume you're also against all of the governments other regulations reguarding saftey in privatly owned buisinesses? We should probably do away with building codes to ensure the roof doesn't collapse, the doors shoudln't have to open outwards, fire regulations? forget em, health and saftey checks at restaurants to make sure all the food is safe?
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    From what I understand here in PA, if a certain percent of your businesses sales come from alcohol you can still allow smoking in the bar. I wish they would all go smoke free though, I hate going home smelling like an ashtray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    I assume you're also against all of the governments other regulations reguarding saftey in privatly owned buisinesses? We should probably do away with building codes to ensure the roof doesn't collapse, the doors shoudln't have to open outwards, fire regulations? forget em, health and saftey checks at restaurants to make sure all the food is safe?
    The difference is smoking is a legal activity, and one that is taxed by the government.

    I am not aware of any taxes that allow unsafe building conditions or unsafe food or that allow fire hazards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanforlife View Post
    From what I understand here in PA, if a certain percent of your businesses sales come from alcohol you can still allow smoking in the bar. I wish they would all go smoke free though, I hate going home smelling like an ashtray.

    So don't go where to places that allow smoking. Sheesh.

    Is it that hard for you to decide not to go someplace you know will have smoking?

    Who is holding the gun to your head to go someplace you know allows smoking?

    A warning is simple enough.

    A woman who was burned on hot coffee sued and now most businesses put warning labels on coffee cups to go to warn of the dangers of hot coffee.

    Should businesses be banned from selling hot coffee because someone can be burned?

    When will the safety nazi's stop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccbig View Post
    Despite what you seem to think you are not free to utilize any establishment you want..
    My choice shouldn't have to depend on whether or not the air inside is safe (let alone pleasant) to breathe.

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    You again are trying to impose your desires over the rights of others.
    And smokers aren't?

    You and I are still hung up on whose right is more important, and I don't see us reaching any agreement. Smokers have a right to do what ever they want until it effects me. I have the right to a smoke free enviroment wherever I choose to go, except in a strictly private (not open to the public) setting.
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