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    Just read a report that apparently Clausen was sucker punched in the face by a fan on Sunday morning. I understand being a fan, but that's the kind of pathetic action that fuels the ND haters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LkwdSteve View Post
    "Still, I think they should keep Charlie, but that is because I really don't like ND and hope they keep losing."

    We Buckeye fans had the same sentiment about Lloyd Carr, but the grass has been even greener since.
    Good point. In fact, I don't think the grass can get much greener for you regarding Michigan.

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    I'll have to disagree with you The issue at ND is execution and coaching. They're getting their share of top tier recruits. Once they are back on a winning track they'll get some additional big time recruits.
    Tell me one reason a big time recruit would even consider going to ND?

    No good coach will want to go there. They send hardly anyone to the NFL(most big time recruits goal) The school work is hard as hell. It's cold and on an old catholic school campus.

    Don't give me tradition crap because no kids about to enter college have ever seen Notre Dame as a national power, just a mediocre team that is on TV every week losing.

    When the best thing to happen to your program in 10 years is losing to USC in a close one, your program has problems.
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    Tell me one reason a big time recruit would even consider going to ND?
    No good coach will want to go there. They send hardly anyone to the NFL(most big time recruits goal) The school work is hard as hell. It's cold and on an old catholic school campus.

    Don't give me tradition crap because no kids about to enter college have ever seen Notre Dame as a national power, just a mediocre team that is on TV every week losing.

    When the best thing to happen to your program in 10 years is losing to USC in a close one, your program has problems.
    Well, sorry, but I do have to bring out the tradition. Tradition lingers even when a program isn't currently succeeding.

    I've been to games at Notre Dame twice in the last 4 seasons, and when I stepped onto that campus I got chills. I'm not a Notre Dame fan (not really a hater either), but I'm a huge football fan and there's just something in the air there. The pep rally the night before the game, the pregame stuff, band, team running out onto the field between the N and the D... that stuff does have an effect on the recruits. Greg Little, WR for Carolina, went up there on a visit and committed to them. He later changed his mind and signed with Carolina (he's a local kid), but he talked about how impressed he was with the overall atmosphere.

    PLUS every big name recruit thinks he will be the one to turn the program around. These kids have giant egos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardust View Post
    Well, sorry, but I do have to bring out the tradition. Tradition lingers even when a program isn't currently succeeding.

    I've been to games at Notre Dame twice in the last 4 seasons, and when I stepped onto that campus I got chills. I'm not a Notre Dame fan (not really a hater either), but I'm a huge football fan and there's just something in the air there. The pep rally the night before the game, the pregame stuff, band, team running out onto the field between the N and the D... that stuff does have an effect on the recruits. Greg Little, WR for Carolina, went up there on a visit and committed to them. He later changed his mind and signed with Carolina (he's a local kid), but he talked about how impressed he was with the overall atmosphere.

    PLUS every big name recruit thinks he will be the one to turn the program around. These kids have giant egos
    I'll agree with you about tradition to an extent. The problem is that Notre Dame hasn't been a top ten team in the lifetimes of the current recruits. That tradition is something they read about, just like they can read about how the Army v. Navy game used to be between two national powers.

    ND has a very pretty campus and a nice stadium. They have passionate fans and tons of tradition. The problem for them is that there are a lot of schools with those same things, but those other schools (USC, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, Penn State, Alabama, Tennessee) have all won during the life span of these 18yr olds. No one wants to play for a loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    Tell me one reason a big time recruit would even consider going to ND?

    No good coach will want to go there. They send hardly anyone to the NFL(most big time recruits goal) The school work is hard as hell. It's cold and on an old catholic school campus.

    Don't give me tradition crap because no kids about to enter college have ever seen Notre Dame as a national power, just a mediocre team that is on TV every week losing.

    When the best thing to happen to your program in 10 years is losing to USC in a close one, your program has problems.
    Speaking in hypotheticals aside, how do you explain big name recruits that have gone there in droves recently? Do you follow college football recruiting? Clausen was the #1 ranked QB in his class. Floyd was a 5 star recruit, Tate a 4 star, Brady Quinn a 4 star....They had the #2 class in the nation a couple of years ago. Regardless of what you think about ND (and I don't like them,) they have recruited very well recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustyshackleford View Post
    Speaking in hypotheticals aside, how do you explain big name recruits that have gone there in droves recently? Do you follow college football recruiting? Clausen was the #1 ranked QB in his class. Floyd was a 5 star recruit, Tate a 4 star, Brady Quinn a 4 star....They had the #2 class in the nation a couple of years ago. Regardless of what you think about ND (and I don't like them,) they have recruited very well recently.
    All of those recruits (aside from Quinn) came in when no one knew just how awful Weiss is as a head coach. He went into those kids homes and showed them his superbowl rings, told them that he'd make them the next Tom Brady, etc. and they bought it. The problem they'll have now, is that not as many kids are going to commit to ND when no one knows just how long fat chuck is going to be there. Not when those same kids have Urban Meyer, Pete Carroll, Mack Brown, Jim Tressel and Nick Saban among others giving the kid a better chance at playing for the same coach for four years, playing in BCS games, playing just as many games on national television and getting drafted to play on Sunday.

    Their next problem is that ND is no longer a top tier job in college football. In case no one noticed, Charlie was Notre Dame's consolation prize after they got turned down by every other big name coach in college football, plus a few from the NFL. They're going to lose almost all of their offense from this season to the draft, so the cupboard will be completely bare. Who in their right mind would take a job that comes with unrealistic expectations and none of the tools to live up to those expectations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by therick View Post
    All of those recruits (aside from Quinn) came in when no one knew just how awful Weiss is as a head coach. He went into those kids homes and showed them his superbowl rings, told them that he'd make them the next Tom Brady, etc. and they bought it. The problem they'll have now, is that not as many kids are going to commit to ND when no one knows just how long fat chuck is going to be there. Not when those same kids have Urban Meyer, Pete Carroll, Mack Brown, Jim Tressel and Nick Saban among others giving the kid a better chance at playing for the same coach for four years, playing in BCS games, playing just as many games on national television and getting drafted to play on Sunday.

    Their next problem is that ND is no longer a top tier job in college football. In case no one noticed, Charlie was Notre Dame's consolation prize after they got turned down by every other big name coach in college football, plus a few from the NFL. They're going to lose almost all of their offense from this season to the draft, so the cupboard will be completely bare. Who in their right mind would take a job that comes with unrealistic expectations and none of the tools to live up to those expectations?
    Losing doesn't help recruiting, that's for sure. Big Charles will be gone the day or two after their bowl game, and we'll see how it goes then. Sounds like Brian Kelly may be the next in line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therick View Post
    I'll agree with you about tradition to an extent. The problem is that Notre Dame hasn't been a top ten team in the lifetimes of the current recruits. That tradition is something they read about, just like they can read about how the Army v. Navy game used to be between two national powers.

    ND has a very pretty campus and a nice stadium. They have passionate fans and tons of tradition. The problem for them is that there are a lot of schools with those same things, but those other schools (USC, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, Penn State, Alabama, Tennessee) have all won during the life span of these 18yr olds. No one wants to play for a loser.
    Yes, but you can also feel that sense of tradition everywhere you go in South Bend.

    I agree that all those other schools you mention have the same things and are "winners", I'm not saying that ND's tradition should be a #1 factor for recruits, I'm just countering va's assertion that tradition is a complete non-factor.
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