Faber willing to chase Kid at 135 - Page 3

p-jersey · 08-02-2008, 11:01 PM

Pulver is far from the fighter he once was, a win over him now does not hold the same weight it once did. Anyway Fabers win over Pulver was at 145, last we saw of Pulver he was getting beat down by Penn and knocked out by a young Joe Lauzon. Meanwhile Uno just made it to the semifinals of the Dream grand prix.

Zapp Brannigan · 08-02-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by p-jersey

Pulver is far from the fighter he once was, a win over him now does not hold the same weight it once did. Anyway Fabers win over Pulver was at 145, last we saw of Pulver he was getting beat down by Penn and knocked out by a young Joe Lauzon. Meanwhile Uno just made it to the semifinals of the Dream grand prix.

Can't have it both ways, Peter. Yamamoto beat Uno in 2005 at a time where he was 2-2-2 in his last 6 fights. Pulver meanwhile wsa coming off a dominant win over Cub Swanson, a highly thought of prospect, not to mention that he was undefeated at the weight class the fight took place.

p-jersey · 08-02-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan

Can't have it both ways, Peter. Yamamoto beat Uno in 2005 at a time where he was 2-2-2 in his last 6 fights. Pulver meanwhile wsa coming off a dominant win over Cub Swanson, a highly thought of prospect, not to mention that he was undefeated at the weight class the fight took place.

Fine take out the last part about Uno. Either way his win over Pulver does not hold that much weight.

DingoBrigade · 08-03-2008, 12:36 AM

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They have two similar opponents, and Faber beat both of them more impressively.

Faber's loss (to Griffin) is better then Yamamoto's loss (to Stephen Palling...who? Exactly)

As a matter of fact, Yamamoto's best wins at 155 is inferior to Faber's win over Jens Pulver, who fought succesfully at 155 for years and beat Yamamoto's best win at 155 (Uno in an awful stoppage).

Yes, we all know what happened when Faber tried to fight a near top-10 contender (though not at the time!) at 155. He got worked. Pummeled. No lucky cut, no slip, no lucky punch. He got worked. Faber is smart and has stayed down in the 145 class, where there isn't much talent to speak of. Please tell me you didn't just compare Cub Swanson to all-time great Caol Uno. I'm genuinely worried about you these days.

When you fight much bigger opponents, and better opponents overall, you will occasionally get a bad break, as Kid did vs. Bozo. I think most fighters would shrug their shoulders at such a loss, as opposed to the reality check that getting beat down, as Faber did vs. the then unheralded Griffin (he had 2 fights under his belt before he destroyed Faber!), provides.

Pulver hasn't been an elite fighter in many, many years, whereas Uno was still a very viable fighter when Kid beat him. Plus Sudo. Plus he has solid K-1 results, plus has put in a lot of time training for the Olympics....even without being completely focused on his MMA career, he has been dominant and has one loss in a seven+ year career. Faber may equal him someday, but he has a ways to go.

Zapp Brannigan · 08-03-2008, 12:49 AM

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Yes, we all know what happened when Faber tried to fight a near top-10 contender (though not at the time!) at 155. He got worked. Pummeled. No lucky cut, no slip, no lucky punch. He got worked. Faber is smart and has stayed down in the 145 class, where there isn't much talent to speak of. Please tell me you didn't just compare Cub Swanson to all-time great Caol Uno. I'm genuinely worried about you these days.

When you fight much bigger opponents, and better opponents overall, you will occasionally get a bad break, as Kid did vs. Bozo. I think most fighters would shrug their shoulders at such a loss, as opposed to the reality check that getting beat down, as Faber did vs. the then unheralded Griffin (he had 2 fights under his belt before he destroyed Faber!), provides.

Pulver hasn't been an elite fighter in many, many years, whereas Uno was still a very viable fighter when Kid beat him. Plus Sudo. Plus he has solid K-1 results, plus has put in a lot of time training for the Olympics....even without being completely focused on his MMA career, he has been dominant and has one loss in a seven+ year career. Faber may equal him someday, but he has a ways to go.

Where did I compare Uno to Cub Swanson? Who is making things up now? I compared Uno to Pulver, a very valid comparison where Pulver has distinct advantage.

JensenS · 08-03-2008, 07:12 AM

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I compared Uno to Pulver, a very valid comparison where Pulver has distinct advantage.

I agree, especially given the fact that Pulver beat him back when the two were in their primes.

Bringing up Genki to support Kid really doesn't say much either, as that was another awful stoppage.

UGLY · 08-03-2008, 09:04 AM

I thought Kid was from AZ and wrestled at Marcos De Niza High School 3x state champ. Originally from Japan but lived his high school and junior high years in AZ. I could be thinking of another Yamamoto. He lived with Towsend Saunders for a while.

p-jersey · 08-03-2008, 11:31 AM

I believe the Faber vs. Griffin fight took place at 145 anyway, so its not like Faber moved up and lost to a bigger fighter.

gutfirst · 08-03-2008, 12:13 PM

what are kid's wrestling accomplishments?

DingoBrigade · 08-04-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan

Can't have it both ways, Peter. Yamamoto beat Uno in 2005 at a time where phe was 2-2-2 in his last 6 fights. Pulver meanwhile wsa coming off a dominant win over Cub Swanson, a highly thought of prospect, not to mention that he was undefeated at the weight class the fight took place.

You are comparing Pulver's win over Swanson to Uno's middling run against elite competition (his losses were to Franca and Hansen, draws with Kawajiri and BJ PENN!). Right before that stretch, Uno beat Din Thomas and Yves Edwards, and right after that stretch, he beat Tokoro and Clementi. This is such a crazy attempt at spin-doctoring. LOL. Ridiculous.

Regarding a comparison b/w Uno and Pulver, Pulver had a better run, but that was many, many years ago. Uno is still very relevant in a heavier weight class, Pulver has limited success at 145.

The Sudo stoppage might have been quick, but there have been far worse stoppages, and he's one of the few with a win over Sudo.

Give Faber a few more years and some actually dangerous opponents, and he can be compared with Kid.

08-02-2008, 11:01 PM	#21 (permalink)
p-jersey MMA Mod Supreme Join Date: May 2008 Location: Denver Posts: 3,207 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Faber willing to chase Kid at 135 Pulver is far from the fighter he once was, a win over him now does not hold the same weight it once did. Anyway Fabers win over Pulver was at 145, last we saw of Pulver he was getting beat down by Penn and knocked out by a young Joe Lauzon. Meanwhile Uno just made it to the semifinals of the Dream grand prix.

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UGLY Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 4,089	Re: Faber willing to chase Kid at 135 I thought Kid was from AZ and wrestled at Marcos De Niza High School 3x state champ. Originally from Japan but lived his high school and junior high years in AZ. I could be thinking of another Yamamoto. He lived with Towsend Saunders for a while. Last edited by UGLY; 08-03-2008 at 09:16 AM.

08-03-2008, 11:31 AM	#28 (permalink)
p-jersey MMA Mod Supreme Join Date: May 2008 Location: Denver Posts: 3,207 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Faber willing to chase Kid at 135 I believe the Faber vs. Griffin fight took place at 145 anyway, so its not like Faber moved up and lost to a bigger fighter.

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