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    Default Re: Chris Lytle inks UFC contract extension, UFC 89 bout with Paul Taylor

    Adolf, he's no longer a fireman and even if he was, that's no reason for the UFC to pay him less. That's like me paying you $0 for German lessons and since you own a successful business already, I can tell people I am taking care of you.

    17 fights in the UFC/WEC predating the UFC's ownership and you are happy that he got $14g for taking a beat down?

    He fought on the reality show too. He won 2 fights on that show and was not paid for either (didn't stop either guy)

    He had gotten fight honors for his previous 4 fights (all 4) and 3 of those were in the UFC, so he's earned more than that imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post
    Brother $14g for a fight when you are 4-8 in the UFC, with a chance to win $28k if you just beat you ropponent is low pay? You guys must make a lot of money if you think that's low.

    Lytle is a full time fire fighter and every 3 months or so he adds an additional $14 k to his income, via another UFC loss. How can anyone possibly think that's unfair?

    I have to agree with JensenS, Kudos to Dana White for bringing a guy back that's a great guy and a hard worker, but never going to be a star. We know he doesn't do it out of fan popularity, otherwise Tito Ortiz would have never been let go.
    I'm going to have to strongly disagree with the big man from the west coast. Lytle doesn't cost 1/10 what Tito costs and hasn't made JB look like a fool. The fact that Tito is still being considered in the UFC sort of proves my point. Even with all of the negative things he brings, according to JB White, he's still interested in the big man from CA b/c he's popular. At the end of the day, popular trumps good from a business perspective.

    Oh, and that is sh!t money for a veteran like Lytle. Again, you can't have your cake and eat it too with the popular vs. good issue because the opposite argument is used against great fighters like Sherk, Franklin and Parisyan, i.e. they aren't popular so they don't deserve decent paydays.

    There was a recent cnnsi photo gallery dedicated to MMA fighter's 'other' jobs. That's not endearing, it's pathetic. The fact that very few fighters can afford to dedicate themselves 100% to the sport hurts the sport. I don't see how this can be logically disputed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clmetal View Post
    Adolf, he's no longer a fireman and even if he was, that's no reason for the UFC to pay him less. That's like me paying you $0 for German lessons and since you own a successful business already, I can tell people I am taking care of you.

    17 fights in the UFC/WEC predating the UFC's ownership and you are happy that he got $14g for taking a beat down?

    He fought on the reality show too. He won 2 fights on that show and was not paid for either (didn't stop either guy)

    He had gotten fight honors for his previous 4 fights (all 4) and 3 of those were in the UFC, so he's earned more than that imo.
    I never said the UFC should pay him less because he's a firefighter, I said that on top of his salary, the additional $48k per year plus bonuses turns out to be a great payday. And if you wanted to pay me $14k for German lessons, I would be thrilled to be able to do somethigng I enjoy and get paid for it.

    I'm not happy that he got $14k for a beat down, I thin kit's fair that he's being given the chance for $28k plus bonuses, he just needs to hold up his end of the bargain and start winning some fights. If he doesn't win, you can't pay him the winners share of the purse CL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DingoBrigade View Post
    I'm going to have to strongly disagree with the big man from the west coast. Lytle doesn't cost 1/10 what Tito costs and hasn't made JB look like a fool. The fact that Tito is still being considered in the UFC sort of proves my point. Even with all of the negative things he brings, according to JB White, he's still interested in the big man from CA b/c he's popular. At the end of the day, popular trumps good from a business perspective.

    Oh, and that is sh!t money for a veteran like Lytle. Again, you can't have your cake and eat it too with the popular vs. good issue because the opposite argument is used against great fighters like Sherk, Franklin and Parisyan, i.e. they aren't popular so they don't deserve decent paydays.

    There was a recent cnnsi photo gallery dedicated to MMA fighter's 'other' jobs. That's not endearing, it's pathetic. The fact that very few fighters can afford to dedicate themselves 100% to the sport hurts the sport. I don't see how this can be logically disputed.

    Dingo he's only a long time veteran because they keep bringing him back in spite of loss after loss. I guess they could have cut him long ago and we wouldn't be discussing how a long time UFC vet only has the opportunity to make $28k per fight plus bonuses. But they didn't do that, they continue to give him fights and opportunities. He just has to win these fights and he'll be doubling his money.

    CL says he's earned fight of the night bonuses 3 of last 4 fights, that's an additional $100k or so. There are no handouts guys, you have to win if you want to make the big money and he's still making pretty damn good pay. Look at CroCop, gone from the UFC after 3 fights. They're doing Lytle a favor and I'm glad they are, he deserves it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post
    Dingo he's only a long time veteran because they keep bringing him back in spite of loss after loss. I guess they could have cut him long ago and we wouldn't be discussing how a long time UFC vet only has the opportunity to make $28k per fight plus bonuses. But they didn't do that, they continue to give him fights and opportunities. He just has to win these fights and he'll be doubling his money.

    CL says he's earned fight of the night bonuses 3 of last 4 fights, that's an additional $100k or so. There are no handouts guys, you have to win if you want to make the big money and he's still making pretty damn good pay. Look at CroCop, gone from the UFC after 3 fights. They're doing Lytle a favor and I'm glad they are, he deserves it.
    It's insane to say they are doing him a favor. You know this. JB doesn't do favors. He does what is good for the bottom line. He can keep a popular fighter who is often involved in a card's best fight for peanuts. It's really quite simple. Lytle is an asset, and a valuable one at that. If the UFC (or any other org) was dedicated to keeping only the elite fighters, there would be ten times the washout there is now and everyone would turn into Lyoto. You pro-JB guys like to point out that JB is a businessman, not a humanitarian. Don't get confused on me all of a sudden.

    JB also brought back guys like Sakara for the same reason--the fights he's involved in are generally exciting. It's this approach that keeps the UFC from becoming full of Machida/Forrest clones.
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    I wasn't clear Dingo. Of course Lytle is an asset and good for the UFc because he's a tough guy, gate keeper type and has exciting fights. So in doing what's best for the company, they ended up doing Lytle a favor. I don't mean they are willing to lose money on him in order to give him a handout. I'm sure when it's all said and done, both parties are happy with what they are getting from the business relationship.

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    I wouldn't bet the farm that Lytle is ecstatic. I'm sure there's some relief that he has at least one fight left with the UFC (because we know that contract is only guaranteed in the UFC's favor, not in Chris's), but I'm equally sure there's some resentment, especially considering the debacle with Serra and his overall contribution to the company. I know we differ here, but $14k to show just isn't that much, especially with the elite competition he has faced.

    I won't argue that he is more than a gatekeeper, but it does reinforce my point that there's a lot more to 'worth' than strictly winning or losing. Nothing would cripple the growth of the sport more than a legion of conservative fighters who don't take risks and fight not to lose. I consider myself a hardcore fan and I can barely watch that type of fight; I can only imagine what the new or lukewarm fan thinks of that garbage.
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    Along with his salary, Lytle earned an extra $115,000 in bonuses for his fights with Alves, and Kyle Bradley at 78, and 81. I couldn't find the bonuses for 73, but given that his crazy triangle/arm bar probably earned him sub of the night there you could probably jack that up to around $150,000

    Couple that with sponsors, again with his salary and any further "compensation" he gets from the compassionate one Mr. Dana White and I'm sure he lives quite well.

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    Strangely enough, those bonuses aren't guaranteed....and sponsors have nothing at all to do with the discussion of show money. It's a wonderful, if convoluted, argument though. I've been hearing that JB is being considered for the Nobel Prize for his contributions to the field of excellence in philanthropy. He's also insanely honest. Quite a role model, really.
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