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Old 07-02-2008, 03:56 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: UFC 88: Breakthrough

I'll be cheering for Hamill, but think Franklin likely wins by KO. I think Matt will be overmatched on his feet, and agree with Cl's assessment here:
If Matt was with a real camp that pushed a game plan, I think he would win. Probably won't even take him down, sadly
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:21 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I think Hamill will take him down at least once and I think he has a very legit shot at beating Franklin. Depends on the money line, but I may throw some jack on this fight. Franklin is a complete fighter, but Hamill is a tough matchup for most fighters. Not to turn this into an MMAquation, but Hamill took down Tito fairly easily. Does anyone think that Tito wouldn't eventually get Franklin down? I'm sure the counter-argument is that Hamill will get popped and stopped before it gets to that point, but the guy has a pretty sick chin and only his gastank worries me in the bigger picture.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:14 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by DingoBrigade View Post
Hamill took down Tito fairly easily.
In practice, so its not like Tito is trying to take Matt's head off like Rich is going to be. Kind of in the same vein too, even if they were going all in Tito's striking is light years behind what Rich's is.

I think Rich manages to sprawl and brawl his way to a victory in this one. Maybe he finishes, maybe he doesn't.
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Old 07-03-2008, 11:51 AM   #34 (permalink)
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In practice, so its not like Tito is trying to take Matt's head off like Rich is going to be. Kind of in the same vein too, even if they were going all in Tito's striking is light years behind what Rich's is.

I think Rich manages to sprawl and brawl his way to a victory in this one. Maybe he finishes, maybe he doesn't.
Tito has better takedown defense than Franklin too, and he knew the shots were coming from Hamill, so I think it does have some relevance. Tito repeatedly took down Matyushenko and avoided the same from Vlad, and not because he's an ace striker.
Rich has never fought a wrestler like Hamill. Okami is the closest to that, but Yushin is strong for 185 and Hamill is massively strong for 205--huge difference.
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Originally Posted by DingoBrigade View Post
Tito has better takedown defense than Franklin too, and he knew the shots were coming from Hamill, so I think it does have some relevance. Tito repeatedly took down Matyushenko and avoided the same from Vlad, and not because he's an ace striker.
Rich has never fought a wrestler like Hamill. Okami is the closest to that, but Yushin is strong for 185 and Hamill is massively strong for 205--huge difference.
I like your analysis. I am unsure of Hamill's ability to step up against someone as accomplished as Franklin. I will be rooting for Hamill, so I hope you are right.
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I don't think Rich avoids the takedowns entirely, chances are Hammil will get his a few times.

However Bisping was able to get up from Hammil's takedowns, and Rich is better on the ground than Bisping is, and he's arguably bigger and stronger.
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I don't think Rich avoids the takedowns entirely, chances are Hammil will get his a few times.

However Bisping was able to get up from Hammil's takedowns, and Rich is better on the ground than Bisping is, and he's arguably bigger and stronger.
Hamill often chooses not to take people down and go for gnp. I scratch my head at his gameplans a lot - especially how he fought Bisping. Commented on getting takedowns just to score points, not attempting to land shots there as often. I think he is capable of winning this fight but I see him losing by decision.
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Not sure Franklin is superior to Bisping on the ground. I would say it's a wash, at best, for Franklin. Size has to be pretty similar too. In fact, Bisping and Franklin are pretty similar fighters; Ace is more seasoned and has fought better competition.
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Hammil's repeated references to working on his striking in all his interviews worries me. As many have already said, he seems so intent to prove he can strike that he doesn't gameplan to his strengths enough.
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Default Re: UFC 88: Breakthrough

Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
http://mmajunkie.com/news/4702/rich-...8.mma#comments

Rich is headed up to 205, its been announced yesterday that he'll be co-main eventing this card against Matt Hamill along with Chuck v. Rashad.

This is another nice looking card that is shaping up.

Chuck Liddell v. Rashad Evans
Rich Franklin v. Matt Hamill
Dan Henderson v. Rousimar Palhares
Karo Parisyan v. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

I hope he doesnt get flashbacks from when Machida destroyed him at 205.
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