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    We'll see. He ate some monstrous knees from Franca and looked none the worse for wear afterwards.
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    You be the judge I guess.

    Sherk falls down like he did after catching the knee here I think BJ jumps on, hooks up his body triangle then squeezes and beats on his head until Sherk decides he's had enough and gives up the RNC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post


    You be the judge I guess.

    Sherk falls down like he did after catching the knee here I think BJ jumps on, hooks up his body triangle then squeezes and beats on his head until Sherk decides he's had enough and gives up the RNC.
    Kind of a misleading clip, don't you think? What happened immediately after that?
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    I don't know what happened.

    I wasn't really posting it to mislead, more just to show that for a certain amount of time after catching one of those knees Sherk had himself in a very bad position.

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    I think BJ Penn has too many ways to bea Sherk. Sherk is a better wrestler than Hughes IMO and is stronger and better conditioned with better striking. BJ is as good a striker standing, Sherk will get a takefown and then finish him by armbar or taking the back for RNC. I want Sherk to win but...he wont

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmaswary View Post
    I think BJ Penn has too many ways to bea Sherk. Sherk is a better wrestler than Hughes IMO and is stronger and better conditioned with better striking. BJ is as good a striker standing, Sherk will get a takefown and then finish him by armbar or taking the back for RNC. I want Sherk to win but...he wont
    Ok, I think you were high when you wrote this. First of all, you say Sherk is a better wrestler then Hughes. Putting aside that Hughes outwrestled him when they fought, let's move on to stronger, which Sherk also is not. Hughes overpowered Sherk. Better conditioned? I don't know, I've never seen either guy gas, so that seems like puire speculation. Better striking, I agree.

    Next you say Sherk will take him down and then finish him by armbar or RNC...I don't see Sherk submitting BJ. However, Sherk has never been submitted ever in his career. He's about as physically close to "unsubmittable" as is possible. He has no neck, and his limbs are short, and thickly muscled. Penn could finish him in the first two rounds, but after that, Sherk will take him. History backs me up on this one.
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    I think, and I see that I wrote this incorrectly , that Sherk will submit Penn.

    Sadly I think the oppostie. Bj Penn will submit Sherk. Matt Hughes may have out wrestled them when they fought but that doesnt mean he is necessarily the better wrestler, he just was that day.

    I think Matt Hughes is explosive and a cardio machine. I think Sherk is powerful and strong. While Hughes can explode through Sherk I think Sherk is actually the stronger of the two and I think he ws a little unsettled to be fighting in the UFC at that point in time and he was financially unable to train full-time as he does now. Tjat makeas a difference and I think the fight would turn out differently today.

    I am also not taking away from Sherks sub defense, I just happen to think BJ Penn has a style very difficult for wrestlers to deal with. BJ Penn is 5'9 ish or so and very very long legged for his height.

    On the ground he is very good at going for finsihes fromm the guard if he ends up there. If he gets the chance his best technique is basing on his arm and using his long legs to go from the guard to spinning to his opponetns back - he did it versus Caol Uno

    George St Pierre impressed me mightily beause he sw that, entered Penns guard, punched him 3-4 times and exited before Penn could mount an offense. Brilliant. I dont think Sherk is as good a strategist as St Pierre - if he did that he could win.

    More than likely stand up will be interesting. Sherk is short, yeah - but so what? Lots of short guys can trade really well and above what their height would indicate. Ask Mighty Mo about kaokalai (sp?) Penns takedown defense is good, not great. he can pummel and sprawl but that isnt enough really. Sherk is very good at puncing his way to double legs and switching off to a single failing that so I give him every chance to take down Penn, who IMO is a very talented fighter who loses motivation when things dont go his way. Sherk is stubborn when things dont go his way and because of that when it gets to the ground I think Sherk will go for broke, leave an opening and somehow get beaten there


    I HOPE he wins. I really do. BJ Penn strikes me as arrogant and I like fighters like Sherk who worked their butts off to get where they are. Penn worked hard but he has a very take it or leave it attitude to me. I just think stylistically someone like St Pierre is the best guy to fight BJ Penn Sadly, I think Sherk isnt and I hope he proves me wrong and Im pulling for him to prove me wrong

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    Hard one to call for sure. I think the biggest questions should be about the two fighters' cardio. When B.J. Penn comes to fight in shape to go five rounds, he's very tough. On the flip side, Sean Sherk has always been a cardio machine. But now there's the steroid issue and the questions regarding how it may have played into his training.

    I'm looking forward to this fight like I rarely do. If Penn comes to fight in shape (think he will) and Sherk looks like the old guy we know (hope he will) then this is going to be something. Watch that third round if Penn doesn't win via submission before it: That will be the one that decides who wins the decision. Can Penn keep up with the pace that Sherk will set through three?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJOdin View Post
    Hard one to call for sure. I think the biggest questions should be about the two fighters' cardio. When B.J. Penn comes to fight in shape to go five rounds, he's very tough. On the flip side, Sean Sherk has always been a cardio machine. But now there's the steroid issue and the questions regarding how it may have played into his training.

    I'm looking forward to this fight like I rarely do. If Penn comes to fight in shape (think he will) and Sherk looks like the old guy we know (hope he will) then this is going to be something. Watch that third round if Penn doesn't win via submission before it: That will be the one that decides who wins the decision. Can Penn keep up with the pace that Sherk will set through three?
    BJ has never ever been in shape to go all 5 rounds. To assume that he is now seems to be folly IMO.
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