Originally Posted by dangun

We all know freestyle/greco-roman wrestling is undoubtedly the best base for stand grappling. But what about in the mat grappling department? Does fs/gr wrestling necessarily benifit a fighter on the ground? After all, fs/gr wresling is all about back exposure. I think this is one reason we see whole lot'a collegiate wrestlers(which I heard is said to emphasize riding/control, positioning) instead of international style wrestlers. Any insights?

I think you're correct in the fact that a college wrestler is training better for MMA than their International counterparts, however, I think reason we are seeing most of them jumping into MMA now is that it pays a better than being a coach or training for the Olympics. (and is easier to qualify for)

good post

Well said!

Originally Posted by dmaswary

I understand. I have been training my whole life and some people in MMA, while having tremendous courage, havent spent the years honing many martial arts in their entirety or doing one at an elite level. I find it distressing at times

In response specificaly as someoone who has gone from BJJ into lots of pure Wrestling watch the foloowing 3 fights

Fedor Coleman
Fedor Randleman
Fedor Lindland

All 3 were able to establish eye popping takedowns and had no answer to submissions. Sweeps are forign to Wrestlers as well

in short it is very hard to train an instict out of you and most wreslters "feel" that being on their back is wrong. Wrestling lends itself tremednously to

Grapevining-leg lacing
Reversals
top control
breakdowns
pummeling and maintining elbows in thoroughly

Wrestlers have a damned hard time with

Non-Choke submissions ( thhe difference between a front headlock and a rear naked choke is almost nil)

Leg submissions

The guard-period

Long legged sweep experts

Defending their backs from an opponents rear mount

achieving leg locks

defending leg locks


Overall it is an excellent base for someone who is truly prepared to modify their wrestling instincts and adopt the botom game. Randy Couture has done a fantastic job of it.

Originally Posted by Schlottke

I think you're correct in the fact that a college wrestler is training better for MMA than their International counterparts, however, I think reason we are seeing most of them jumping into MMA now is that it pays a better than being a coach or training for the Olympics. (and is easier to qualify for)

good post

I agree.

Actually, there are three styles of wrestling :

Fresstyle and Greco-Roman : the best for stand grappling / ground and pound strategy .

Grappling : the best for ground game without gi (a mix of bjj, catch wrestling, freestyle wrestling).

See Team Quest, Xtreme Couture, HIT Squad, Gilbert Grappling ...

http://www.themat.com/index.php?page...rticleID=16649



During 1993-1997 (UFC 1-12) there were three rules, no weight classes, no weight limits and unlimited rounds. Wrestlers won six tournaments : UFC 5, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 (lightweight/heavyweight title).

Now there are thirty rules, 8-ounce gloves, limited rounds and weight limits.