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    Default International style wrestling in MMA

    We all know freestyle/greco-roman wrestling is undoubtedly the best base for stand grappling. But what about in the mat grappling department? Does fs/gr wrestling necessarily benifit a fighter on the ground? After all, fs/gr wresling is all about back exposure. I think this is one reason we see whole lot'a collegiate wrestlers(which I heard is said to emphasize riding/control, positioning) instead of international style wrestlers. Any insights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangun View Post
    We all know freestyle/greco-roman wrestling is undoubtedly the best base for stand grappling. But what about in the mat grappling department? Does fs/gr wrestling necessarily benifit a fighter on the ground? After all, fs/gr wresling is all about back exposure. I think this is one reason we see whole lot'a collegiate wrestlers(which I heard is said to emphasize riding/control, positioning) instead of international style wrestlers. Any insights?
    I think you're correct in the fact that a college wrestler is training better for MMA than their International counterparts, however, I think reason we are seeing most of them jumping into MMA now is that it pays a better than being a coach or training for the Olympics. (and is easier to qualify for)

    good post

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    don't know how the US pays for their wrestlers. My guess is that your average US wrestler don't make a very good living. I heard that wrestling is much more like a hobby rather than professional over there. It's hard to devote in wrestling when you pay for your own training and you have school education aside. That's one of the reasons I have mad respect American wrestlers.

    Back to the original question, what do you guys think of the mat wrestling aspect of international style in MMA?

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    Do you guys think par-terre technique like gut wrenching or leg lacing has it's own benifit in MMA?

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    It might be hard for Americans to understand but I would guess elite Russian Greco and freestyle wrestlers would consider it a step down to go into MMA. I think they consider themselves professional athletes but MMA is more like a thug sport to them.

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    I understand. I have been training my whole life and some people in MMA, while having tremendous courage, havent spent the years honing many martial arts in their entirety or doing one at an elite level. I find it distressing at times

    In response specificaly as someoone who has gone from BJJ into lots of pure Wrestling watch the foloowing 3 fights

    Fedor Coleman
    Fedor Randleman
    Fedor Lindland

    All 3 were able to establish eye popping takedowns and had no answer to submissions. Sweeps are forign to Wrestlers as well

    in short it is very hard to train an instict out of you and most wreslters "feel" that being on their back is wrong. Wrestling lends itself tremednously to

    Grapevining-leg lacing
    Reversals
    top control
    breakdowns
    pummeling and maintining elbows in thoroughly

    Wrestlers have a damned hard time with

    Non-Choke submissions ( thhe difference between a front headlock and a rear naked choke is almost nil)

    Leg submissions

    The guard-period

    Long legged sweep experts

    Defending their backs from an opponents rear mount

    achieving leg locks

    defending leg locks


    Overall it is an excellent base for someone who is truly prepared to modify their wrestling instincts and adopt the botom game. Randy Couture has done a fantastic job of it.

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    Well said!

    Quote Originally Posted by dmaswary View Post
    I understand. I have been training my whole life and some people in MMA, while having tremendous courage, havent spent the years honing many martial arts in their entirety or doing one at an elite level. I find it distressing at times

    In response specificaly as someoone who has gone from BJJ into lots of pure Wrestling watch the foloowing 3 fights

    Fedor Coleman
    Fedor Randleman
    Fedor Lindland

    All 3 were able to establish eye popping takedowns and had no answer to submissions. Sweeps are forign to Wrestlers as well

    in short it is very hard to train an instict out of you and most wreslters "feel" that being on their back is wrong. Wrestling lends itself tremednously to

    Grapevining-leg lacing
    Reversals
    top control
    breakdowns
    pummeling and maintining elbows in thoroughly

    Wrestlers have a damned hard time with

    Non-Choke submissions ( thhe difference between a front headlock and a rear naked choke is almost nil)

    Leg submissions

    The guard-period

    Long legged sweep experts

    Defending their backs from an opponents rear mount

    achieving leg locks

    defending leg locks


    Overall it is an excellent base for someone who is truly prepared to modify their wrestling instincts and adopt the botom game. Randy Couture has done a fantastic job of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlottke View Post
    I think you're correct in the fact that a college wrestler is training better for MMA than their International counterparts, however, I think reason we are seeing most of them jumping into MMA now is that it pays a better than being a coach or training for the Olympics. (and is easier to qualify for)

    good post
    I agree.

    Actually, there are three styles of wrestling :

    Fresstyle and Greco-Roman : the best for stand grappling / ground and pound strategy .

    Grappling : the best for ground game without gi (a mix of bjj, catch wrestling, freestyle wrestling).

    See Team Quest, Xtreme Couture, HIT Squad, Gilbert Grappling ...

    http://www.themat.com/index.php?page...rticleID=16649



    During 1993-1997 (UFC 1-12) there were three rules, no weight classes, no weight limits and unlimited rounds. Wrestlers won six tournaments : UFC 5, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 (lightweight/heavyweight title).

    Now there are thirty rules, 8-ounce gloves, limited rounds and weight limits.













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    The only whole in your argument is that often these folkstyle wrestlers dont have good ground work.
    I would love to see more freestyle wrestlers in MMA, they seem to have better and wider range of technique.

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