Fedor vs. Tim appears to be likely - Page 3

bebopx · 04-11-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dmaswary

Thats preposterous. I can name 10 top contenders over 40 years old right now. Randy is 44 going on 45 and beat Gabriel Napão and Tim at 44. Easily.

Age is not really as relevent ass people think. Especially in MMA. In a sport where the rules limit you to a small set of atheltic skills the difference between 25 years old and 30 is significant. In MMA where their is a virtually unlimitd amount of skills to choose athletic careers can extend far longer and not only that, but they have been.

Sports medicine, supplementation, massage therapy, sophisticated technique, fight frequency, glucosamine......... Over 40 will become very common in the next decade, that is a firm Ill sign on the dotted line prediction

Hell even in boxing Bernard Hopkins is a legit fighter at age 42 and he beat Jermaine Taylor in the rematch IMO.

Age is irrelevent these days and Aurelio Miguel won a medal in Judo way past 40 in the Olympics for Brazil. If someone has never trained until their 30's, thats another story. Picking uyp ypur career at 32, 333 and moving to MMA is another.

Randy Couture,Pawel Nastula,Ron Waterman, Hidehiko Yoshida and many others didnt even debut until 33-36 years of age. waterman is a top fighter at age 43.

I dont like the age bias, I think age is one of those factors that cout only if you are in a sport that factors in pure athletic ability like track and field. Sylvia could fight till Dan Severns age (winning at 53 although obviously not a top ten contender) and if he acquires and develops skills every year by 40 he will be a monster in every range of fighting - wrestling , kickboxing, grappling.

The guys who retire early are the brawlers who soak up a lot of damage. Almost every fighter with a well over 40 life span does a great job of preserving their body and relying on developing skill sets, strategy and bodily preservation to fight as long as they'd like.

Ive seen two 70 year olds grappling in a Judo class and other insane things.Tim is selling himself short and other fighters as well

Tim's body is old for his age. That's the deal. He's taken a lot of abuse. The reason Couture is still so damn good is because: 1) his life span is most likely longer than normal, 2) he takes very good care of himself physically, and 3) he didn't start fighting until later in his life.

BTW, the Gonzaga fight wouldn't have been so easy for Randy if he hadn't broken Gonzaga's nose with the accidental headbutt during the slam. The ref really dropped the ball on that one.

Zapp Brannigan · 04-11-2008, 04:37 PM

TIm hits harder then Fedor. Fedor can be KO'd, hell, he was almost KO'd by a primary wrestler in Fujita.

JensenS · 04-11-2008, 04:51 PM

How much does "almost" really mean in an MMA fight?

Cro Cop hits harder than both Tim, and Fujita and to the best of my memory (I haven't watched the fight in a while) he was never close to KO'ing Fedor.

~~Caspiantiger~~ · 04-11-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dmaswary

Arlovski and Barnett are two fighters with good skill sets to beat Fedor. If barnett took it more seriously and developed a technical stand up game he could pull it off. He wont.........

Fedor makes technical errors but few people have the skill set to capitalize. Fedor isn't a takedown machine, he mixes up punches and kicks with takedowns so you dont know where to defend to get the takedown and then uses the ground and pound to win. Someone with a counter game up top and a good pummel to takedown game can put him on his back. Fedor is weak defending the back and side mount IMO (relatively) and his guard is excellent but not Roger Gracies; his guard can be passed and he can be beaten on the ground by a skilled guard passer and top fighter with strong holdowns or a fluid submission game

dmasway, as an ex amatuer boxer my opinion of Fedors boxing is that he has excellent boxing that is severly underated. I picked Fedor to outsrike Cro cop.

Fedor has excellent footwork, good hand speed, good straights, and combo's. The he fills the gaps with his throws.
Most MMA fighters stand infront of their opponent and just throw punches till one wins, Fedor controls the distance in an excellent manor and closes it when he wants.

On the ground i think he is an excellent fighter from the bottom. he has good submissions from the guard and good escapes from the bottom, just watch when Nog gets on top of Fedor in the sidemount. That is judo for you.

~~Caspiantiger~~ · 04-11-2008, 06:32 PM

zapp don;t underestimate Fujita's power. He may not be a good striker but he can hit like a truck.

dmaswary · 04-12-2008, 02:06 AM

I actually think Fedor is an excellent boxer. His weaknesses IMO are

His Sambo base seems to give him the same problem most Judo players have in dealing with double legs and underhooks IMO

His ground game is solid all-round but I think his defense of the side mount and ack aren't really as well-devloped as his top game.

Mind you these arent huge glaring weaknesses, just points where he is weaker than others. It takes a specialist in a particular area to exploit that weakness. I.E a good top fighter taking him down and winning on top.

His strength is exactly what you said; he boxes very well and closed the gap with Ernesto Hoost. He is so potent in the stand up that his body locks are hard to see coming

Someone would really have to be able to close that gap and work the top

Cro Cop doesnt have the heart IMO; not in the sense of cowardice but I suspect he doesnt like MMA and wishes he was kickboxing for money. Fedor hungers for it.
Mark Hunt was a goodd example of someone with the style to beat him if he had a better Wrestling and ground came. He did very well.....

Fedor is the most technical heavyweight Ive seen

JJOdin · 04-12-2008, 07:45 AM

Below is a link to a breakdown of this fight. Sylvia is one tough guy and Fedor hasn't fought anyone of heavyweight significance in a long time. This is a hard call:

http://www.submittomma.com/articles/...a_preview.html

~~Caspiantiger~~ · 04-12-2008, 09:52 AM

I bet you fedor could go pro as a boxer. Although not sure how far he would go with it, not the same heights as he could with mma.

Zapp Brannigan · 04-12-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Caspiantiger

I bet you fedor could go pro as a boxer. Although not sure how far he would go with it, not the same heights as he could with mma.

Of course he "could" go pro. So could I. He just wouldn't do very well, his stand up is to wild with too many hooks.

JensenS · 04-12-2008, 12:45 PM

I agree, he's able to deal with guys in an MMA fight who are better technical boxers than he is by taking them down.

He obviously wouldn't be able to do that in a boxing match.

04-11-2008, 04:37 PM	#22 (permalink)
Zapp Brannigan Olympic Champ Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 5,665	Re: Fedor vs. Tim appears to be likely TIm hits harder then Fedor. Fedor can be KO'd, hell, he was almost KO'd by a primary wrestler in Fujita. __________________ Rest in Peace Adam Frey, you left us far too soon Brands: Metcalf! What is good in life? Metcalf: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

04-11-2008, 04:51 PM	#23 (permalink)
JensenS Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delaware Posts: 13,574	Re: Fedor vs. Tim appears to be likely How much does "almost" really mean in an MMA fight? Cro Cop hits harder than both Tim, and Fujita and to the best of my memory (I haven't watched the fight in a while) he was never close to KO'ing Fedor.

04-11-2008, 06:32 PM	#25 (permalink)
~~Caspiantiger~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 492	Re: Fedor vs. Tim appears to be likely zapp don;t underestimate Fujita's power. He may not be a good striker but he can hit like a truck.

04-12-2008, 02:06 AM	#26 (permalink)
dmaswary Redshirt Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rio de Janeiro, NY Posts: 56	Re: Fedor vs. Tim appears to be likely I actually think Fedor is an excellent boxer. His weaknesses IMO are His Sambo base seems to give him the same problem most Judo players have in dealing with double legs and underhooks IMO His ground game is solid all-round but I think his defense of the side mount and ack aren't really as well-devloped as his top game. Mind you these arent huge glaring weaknesses, just points where he is weaker than others. It takes a specialist in a particular area to exploit that weakness. I.E a good top fighter taking him down and winning on top. His strength is exactly what you said; he boxes very well and closed the gap with Ernesto Hoost. He is so potent in the stand up that his body locks are hard to see coming Someone would really have to be able to close that gap and work the top Cro Cop doesnt have the heart IMO; not in the sense of cowardice but I suspect he doesnt like MMA and wishes he was kickboxing for money. Fedor hungers for it. Mark Hunt was a goodd example of someone with the style to beat him if he had a better Wrestling and ground came. He did very well..... Fedor is the most technical heavyweight Ive seen

04-12-2008, 07:45 AM	#27 (permalink)
JJOdin Redshirt Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 60	Re: Fedor vs. Tim appears to be likely Below is a link to a breakdown of this fight. Sylvia is one tough guy and Fedor hasn't fought anyone of heavyweight significance in a long time. This is a hard call: http://www.submittomma.com/articles/...a_preview.html __________________ www.SubmitToMMA.com

04-12-2008, 09:52 AM	#28 (permalink)
~~Caspiantiger~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 492	Re: Fedor vs. Tim appears to be likely I bet you fedor could go pro as a boxer. Although not sure how far he would go with it, not the same heights as he could with mma.

04-12-2008, 12:45 PM	#30 (permalink)
JensenS Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delaware Posts: 13,574	Re: Fedor vs. Tim appears to be likely I agree, he's able to deal with guys in an MMA fight who are better technical boxers than he is by taking them down. He obviously wouldn't be able to do that in a boxing match.

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