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Im in Brazil working towards a pro debut and this is my career so, hopefully my name will be up there one day............
Its a long story so Ill post in 3 parts.
Here it goes like this:
What you see as the salary figures are RARELY indiciative of what is really happening financially. The UFC, since it is now the king of the US market and ows the WEC and is closely affiliate with KOTC, has extremely binding contracts. Typically a contract willl forbid a fighter from fighting in any other organization, and in what is problematic for many fighters, competing in their chosen Martial Arts
If you are a Wrestler or BJJ fighter, forget about the Pan Ams or Brazilian Mundials, could get hurt and ruin the investment.
The contract will stipulate either a one-fight deal, meanng they will dump you if you perform badly, or a 3 fight contract meaning they own you.
The reported salary is per fight.
X dollars to show X dollars to win
In light of pay-per-view fighters are often offered bigger contracts with promised sponsorships, a percentage of pay per view profits, t shirt licensing and other goods and a sum total behind the scenes. Dan Henderson was payed a certain amount for the fight, with the standard win bonus if he performed up to par.
I personally know however, that he signed a deal worth over 2 million dollars. Benefits usually include gifts like humvees etc.....
Japan was FAR FAR bigger before Pride went down. If you dont know the story it is basically this. While MMA is growing in the US, it has been an established mainstream sport for over 2 decades in Japan, longbefore the UFC was a twinkle in Rorion Gracie's eye. Pancrase, Shooto (put together by Yuri Nakamura) and wokred shoot matches were huge draws. Stadiums had close to 50,000 in attendence or more and pay per view was a huge success along with DVD sales and merchandising.
Sadly Fuji TV was 25% of Pride's revenue stream and a story broke out about Yakuza influence, severely tainting Pride's image. The story went so far as to imply that Pride star Kazushi Sakuraba was threated and coerced into doing Pride's bidding (and if you saw some of the fights he took it sure seems that way) and Fuji TV withdrew. Pride quickly lost all of its top fighters as it had no salary to pay them and Minotauro,Wanderlei Silva,Shogun,Quinton Jackson,Dan Henderson and even Cro Cop went to the States.
Dana White enlisted the Fertitti brothers, two billionairs in something or other, to buy Pride out. His original claim was that he intended to co-promote shows in the US and Japan but it was pretty clear that was a pre-text to close down the competition.
Since then the US has boomed in media attention in terms of MMA. It has now come to the attention of mass media.........
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The immediate response, besides making it even more difficult for quality Japanese,Brazilian and Russian fighters to get their foot in the door in the Amrican market, "the only one that counts," was a rift between Japan and the US
Japanese shows continue to be huge draws and produce a phenomenal level of talent. K-1 Heroes, K-1, Dreams, Shooto,Pancrase and other shows typically pay per fight deals without the merchandising and extras the UFC pays and have extraordinarily high ratings and pay per views in Japan. Unfortunately the UFC offers these deals only to name fighters which doesn't necessarily even mean champion. Brock Lesnar made 10,000$ dollars less than th actual champion, Tim Sylvia and is obviously being groomed to court the WWE audience. This is a whole nother ball of wax and Ill get into it later but Sylvias contract really is pretty poor in terms of the benefits Dan Henderson gets and the 6 milion dollar contract Minotauro signed, as the worlds # 2 heavyweight. Summing it up Japanese shows pay 3-4X more per fight but offer little in terms of recognition to the US audience, which is the worlds largest growing audience as the UFC is exanding into Europe and eyeing the Mexican market. Japan has begun to turn its eye to the lucrative South Korean market and the losers on the deal are the fighters. Some of the Japanese fighters are preposterously good and have absolutely zero name recognition.
The quick response was an immediate influx of cash from investors, mostly media oriented, looking for platforms to expand their existing brands. Bodog immediately jumped in, promoting a show with Fedor fighting Matt Lindland, Pro Elite opened its doors in the US and mark Cuban jumped in with his HDNET promotions. The IFL formed as well, drawing talent from Brazilian and American platform shows, like Fury FC, Storm Samurai (Brazil), Rio FC,Gladiator Challenge, Jungle Fight and others.
ANd now the result is.......
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The companies who started the whole thing are getting squeezed. Ringside, who had advertising space in the UFC octagon has been replaced with even bigger heavyweights like Budweiser,Gatorade and Harley-Davidson. While this is good in a way it is a bit dangerous in my opinion, as its diluting the actual fan base into a WE Boxing style of uneducated, sport fan types versus the knowledgeable Japanese audiences.
American audiences, who have little patience and like to see action and not subtlety, don't like ground fighting. A great takedown - ALL RIGHT!!! Watching that takedown transition into excellent ground control or a sophisticated Jiu Jitsu game tends to draw boos. Japanese audiences were the exact opposite, understanding every intricacy of the game as to applaud an ATTEMPT at an omoplata or a triangle and be impressed whena fighter escaped it with grace and poise. Thats a personal beef but I digress.
The end result is that speculator money began to circle and champions f any MMA related discipline can sign big contracts before they even step into a ring or a cage. How? Simple......
Their are two formats for a fighter to follow if he wants to make it. The first is to get a good agent or negotiate for himself obviously, like George St Pierre, and train where he damned well pleases. St Pierre has a Muay Thai coach, wrestles with the Canadian national team and has even trained with Renzo Gracie in NY for a short while. He represents himself and his stock rises and falls on his own value.
What a lot of rich, personal investors are doing is creating fight camps. In Brazil and Japan this was and is common. I myself am a part of Brazilian Top Team, the team that was once Carlson Gracie's Jiu Jitsu squad and created Minotauro,Minotoro,Ricardo Arona,Buscape, Paul?o Filho and a more than I can even name. Chute Boxe was the other mega squad housing Thai Boxe based fighters like Anderson Silva,wanderlei Silva and Shogun. Japan had the Takada Dojo which was Sakurabas home, Yoshida dojo (Hidehiki Yoshidas school) and others.
The end result was that the teams took a large chunk out of the fighters purses so most went off and formed their own teams or individual boxing styl e training camps. They had the money to do it and why pay 20% of your purse, plus 10 percent to an agent and then taxes when you really dont need to. Teams formed in the US as well, like Team Quest and American Kickboxing Academy, American Top Team etc.........
So their are basically two ways to run it. You can train with whoever suits your needs or join a team where everything you need is there: weight facilities,sparring partners, coaches from every discilipline, a management structure......
Seeing this whats happening is that instead of fighters puttting together these teams as large training camps, investors are doing it. Wealthy private individuals are buying up gym space and paying money to retired fighters or individual style coaches; a renowned wrestler to teach the takedowns, a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu coach, a conditioning specialist, boxing coaches etc............
Other wealthy investors will find an athlete who is a champ in one discipline and cut a deal with an existing team/training camp like Randy Coutures camp/gym. The gym gets a percentage of the fight purse and the investor gets his money back when the fighter starts to make a name.
The end result is that all thats left is the talent. Anyone who looks to fit the mold will get money thrown at them and taken in. Now this is a good thing for guys like Jake who busted their hump and would have had little to do in Wrestling but coach post-competitive career, and thats fantastic. I think this could be harmful ina lot of ways though.
If enough money comes in we'll start to see a SERIOUS dilution of the martial arts in and of themselves. Yoshida,Pawel Nastula and Ron Waterman al made their MMA debuts at ages 33-36 and fight on well into their 40's. They all have a lifetime of training under their belts along with their attributes and thats not even mentioning someone like Randy Couture, who didnt even start training until age 20 or so (I believe Im not certain - I think he started in the army) and made his MMA fight debut at age 34. He was a well-deveoped fighter as were the other 4 who all started in that age category and you could see Yoshidas Judo matched up with Wanderleis kickboxing, Watermans enormous strength, Jiu Jitsu and Wrestling (Japanese Jiu Jisu Black belt) versus Roger Gracies legendary ground game or Cro Cops unique sprawl and brawl style and so forth.
All of them were excellent at their individual martial arts and then added the supplemental arts to round out their games. Even the individualist St Pierre, who trains for himself and himself alone, is a lifelong Kyokushinkai practicioner and if you watch his victory over BJ Penn you can see the differnce in his kicks which chamber at the knee and are hard and accurate versus the standard Thai kick someone like Wand uses.
Im suspecting that with this money flying around and training camps open, kids will skip developing a wrestling career through college and into the olympics or skip the developmental phase of Judo or even Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which has already happened, to jump right into MMA.
The talent pool is already diluting in BJJ here in Brazil as fewer peole want to train with the gi and develop the refined ground game of a few years ago. Thai boxers make fundamental errors in things like throwing a jab and dropping it. I would hate to see this happen in wrestling and ruin the intenational scene and olympics. I also dont want to see the values of the martial arts thrown out the window to seea lot of kids fighting at an early age and starting MMA without having a martial arts background and the accompanying respect and discipline.
I hope that was informative as to the general scene and how the money is flowing. Hope I didnt sound too preachy. Guys like Jake are champions already and make great transitions into MMA. As long as that the case, then its no problem. Im new here so if I overdid let me know. Im looking to expand my knowledge here and not step on any toes. Thanks
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