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    The back supplex you were referring to is indeed forbidden in judo rules ( Fedor is a robocop :-) and did not sustain any serious injury ) afterwards however uranage is a quite similiar throw .
    Yes im talking about about slams from the guard .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Depends on your definition of a slam...many wrestlers would look at a clean ippon throw and call it a slam. I would think that Randleman's throw of Fedor would have been legal in Judo.
    I assume you are referring to slams as picking someone off the mat and slamming them a la Rampage v. Arona. In Judo ground fighting, the action is stopped as soon as you lift the opponent off the mat.
    You are using two of the craziest slams that I have ever seen as an example of "a slam." But it truly is amazing that Fedor did not suffer any injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waza View Post
    The back supplex you were referring to is indeed forbidden in judo rules ( Fedor is a robocop :-) and did not sustain any serious injury ) afterwards however uranage is a quite similiar throw .
    Yes im talking about about slams from the guard .
    What make Randleman's throw different from an Ura Nage? Is it becasue Fedor landed on his neck?

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    Heres Two examples , the first one as a counter to an outside major reap ( osotogari) , 2008 Monaco Internationals :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKTZFLXHRbY

    The second at the 2007 Russian Judo Nationals performed by a female player :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLqqSifSij4

    The full point or ippon is obtained when an opponent fall largely on his/her back, demonstrating full control which is obviously the case in both videos .

    But accidents can also happen in judo /sambo i remember once a Bulgarian Sambist ( Todorov) at the 2000 Sambo World cup hel in Nice , France sending his opponnet to the canvas , unconscious after lending on his neck in a typical uranage counter .

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    The slam is illegal in BJJ because if you notice, all the BJJ players won because the Sambo guys have no guard passing or guard period. They made some very very basic errors.

    In BJJ if you allowed spikes, that is you're in the guard and you pick someone up ALA Quinton Jackson/Rampage and spike them, that would lead to 90% of the game going right out the window and it would devolve into a Judo match with bad throws.

    Sambo is excellent at mixing in a strong base with good sub defense, excellent leglocks, a fair NeWaza - in the sport sense. Sambo is a military art and is strongest IMO in the combat Sambo where the mixing of Judo,Wrestling Leglocks and striking flow very naturally and are technical because the jacket and shorts allow the wrestling technique to blend with the Judo technique and create something very different from BJJ.

    BJJ is far better on the ground.

    Heath Herring had a wrestling background but he moved to Holland for 5 years to train with renowned European Dutch Kickboxing team Golden Glory and was essentially a kickboxer with good wrestling. He is much more of a kickboxer than a wrestler in reality, as he went to THE elite kickboxing squad in Europe (the other major school being the Thai style schools) and trained with the same guys who brought out Ernesto Hoost and Peter Aerts etc..... He was an elite kickboxer and moved back recently, to go train in Vegas.

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    Both sport are vital in MMA

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    Combat sambo isn't the best background for real MMA. Fedor is the only top fighter with combat sambo background.
    Fighters with Wrestling and bjj background are the best in the world.
    Luta Livre Vale Tudo (Luta Livre Esportiva + strikes, kicks, knees, and elbows) and CWS (combat submission wrestling) are two others complete systems for MMA and real self defense.

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