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    I didn't see the fight yet read several articles and most scorecards had Manny winning rather lopsidedly . Arum was quoted as saying ''this is the death knell for boxing and I am going make a fortune on the rematch .''


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    Boxing should die.
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    He didn't dominate every round but there were maybe two rounds I might have given Bradley. One of he worst decisions I've ever seen.

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    My question would be, whats the point of fixing this fight against him?

    Single handedly kills all momentum for the only real superfight that is out there right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    My question would be, whats the point of fixing this fight against him?

    Single handedly kills all momentum for the only real superfight that is out there right now.
    There was a re-match already signed on for if Manny happened to lose, and a third match if Manny wins the re-match. Not too hard to figure that one out.

    The super-match is not going to happen, so if you can't give the people what they want, they can try to make you fell that this Bradley guy is actually a rival to Manny.
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    I actually asked a couple guys from work if they wanted to chip in and get the fight. No one wanted to because they didn't think it was worth it. Now, I've heard that Manny got robbed. I wish I would've watched. But I'm sure the motivation was the big rematch. But when it's that apparently obvious, then they stand to gain nothing by doing it. Dana White has perfected the fight game. He tells who fights who and does it based on what the fans want. Manny vs Mayweather would have happened years ago. Mayweather is ducking him. It's obvious. Dana wouldn't put up with that.

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    LAS VEGAS – Promoter Bob Arum was still fuming about the split-decision verdict that went against Manny Pacquiao on Saturday and said there would be no rematch with Timothy Bradley unless Nevada attorney general Catherine Cortez Masto launches an investigation.
    Bradley, a 4-1 underdog, upset Pacquiao in one of the most controversial outcomes in years to take the World Boxing Organization welterweight title.
    All three judges scored it 115-113, with Duane Ford and C.J. Ross seeing it in favor of Bradley and Jerry Roth siding with Pacquiao.
    The rematch that Bradley thought he would get may be on hold, at least for a while, however. Arum, whose company promotes both fighters, said his feeling that Pacquiao had won a wide decision had not changed a day later.
    Timothy Bradley celebrates after beating Manny Pacquiao by split decision. (AP)
    But because of the outcry among the fans and media, many of whom accused Arum of somehow rigging the outcome, the veteran promoter said he would demand an investigation.
    "I want to investigate whether there was any undue influence, whether the (Nevada Athletic Commission) gave any particular instruction and how they came to this conclusion," said Arum, who at the post-fight news conference was adamant the result was a mistake but not the result of any chicanery. "But the whole sport is in an uproar. People are going crazy.
    "If this was a subjective view that each of [the judges] honestly held, OK. I would still disagree, but then we're off the hook in terms of there being no conspiracy. But there needs to be an independent investigation because it strains credulity that an event everybody saw as so one-sided one way all three judges saw it as close. It strains credulity."
    [Related: Timothy Bradley beats Manny Pacquiao in controversial split decision]
    Ford spoke by telephone to Yahoo! Sports on Sunday. He said the criticism is a part of the job he accepts, but said those criticizing the outcome are almost certainly not familiar with the way fights are judged.
    "If this were American Idol, without a doubt, Manny Pacquiao would have won," Ford said. "But it was not. I gave an honest opinion. I had Pacquiao up 4-2, I think, at the end of six rounds. I thought he hurt Bradley a couple of times early in the fight. But when the bell rang to end that round, it was over and what happens in one round doesn't carry over to the next round. They're separate units.
    "In the second half of the fight, Pacquiao picked off a lot of punches to the head, but Bradley landed some hard body shots. That hurt Pacquiao. I don't mean it hurt him in the sense of it physically hurting him, but in terms of scoring and piling up points. Bradley did an excellent job standing his ground as a boxer. Remember, it's a boxing match and Bradley demonstrated his ability to box expertly."
    Bradley has been harshly criticized by many who believe Pacquiao won, but the fact that Bradley won the fight with two badly injured feet should say something about his tenacity.
    And the bout might suggest that Pacquiao is declining more than previously thought. If he had trouble with a fighter who had two injured feet and needed a wheelchair to attend the post-fight news conference, how difficult would it have been for him had his opponent been completely mobile?
    [Related: Timothy Bradley attends post-fight press conference in wheelchair after win]
    Bradley injured his left foot in the second round when he pivoted. His manager, Cameron Dunkin, said an examination late Saturday revealed torn ligaments that will keep him off it for several weeks to a month.
    He said the X-ray did not show a fracture, but doctors ordered an MRI on Monday in Palm Springs, Calif.
    "They said that just because the X-ray did not show a fracture didn't mean there isn't one," Dunkin said. "He has a lot of pain on the top of the foot and there are 700 bones in there. Some of them are so small. The doctor said the only way to tell if there is a fracture is to do an MRI."
    He said there was no serious injury to the right foot, which was far more swollen than the left.
    "The right was just kind of rolled and it was basically a twisted foot that was pretty swollen," Dunkin said.
    [Related: Kevin Iole on Y! Radio: Manny Pacquiao was robbed]
    Dunkin also said he was fine if Arum chose not to arrange a rematch. He said Top Rank promotes Bradley and owes him a fight. If it chose not to make a rematch with Pacquiao, it would have to book a different fight for Bradley.
    Juan Manuel Marquez, who lost a controversial decision to Pacquiao on Nov. 12 in the same arena, was in attendance Saturday, Top Rank president Todd duBoef said, because the company was planning to make Pacquiao-Marquez IV in the event of a Pacquiao win.
    That changed in light of the outcome, and Pacquiao said he wanted a rematch. Ultimately, Arum will likely accede to Pacquiao's wishes.
    Pacquiao's next fight almost certainly will not be in Las Vegas after the uproar over Saturday's fight. Ford, though, said it is unfair for those who don't know the scoring criteria and who weren't focusing intently on the fight to bash the judges.
    "In pro boxing, you look for damage, and if the punches are equal and the damage is equal, you are looking for effective aggression, and that does not necessarily mean the guy going forward," Ford said. "Effective aggression can be a guy going back. And then you look at ring generalship, and that's all about control.
    "When you score a fight of that magnitude, you know the criticism comes with the job. But unless you are totally focused on that scoring zone for three minutes, it's impossible to score the fight correctly. I know you can't do it talking into a microphone. It was a close fight in my mind that could have gone either way. The result was nothing more than three judges giving an honest opinion, and nothing other than that."
    [Related: Y! Sports' crew reacts to Timothy Bradley-Manny Pacquiao decision]
    Arum told media at ringside that Dunkin had scored it 116-112 for Pacquiao, but Dunkin angrily denied that Sunday. Dunkin said he had it 115-113 in favor of Bradley.
    He said he understands the uproar, but said most of it is because of Pacquiao's huge popularity.
    "If they're fighting on a street and we're just scoring the fight, the whole fight, I can see you thinking maybe Pacquiao won it," Dunkin said. "But when you score it round by round, I think it's very reasonable to believe Bradley

    • Looks like the fans aren't falling for this BS.
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    It is pretty much set in my mind that the match was fixed. Boxing is going down the drain and they know it the only draw they have left is Manny and people might not want to buy the fights considering you are just gonna be watching him destroy whoever faces him. Manny was thinking about retiring after this fight and they could not have that, that would be the end of Boxing. So they fixed the fight for him to lose to keep him fighting and generate enough buzz to bring more viewers in. Either the judges messed up or the fight was fixed, the only two options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FalconWrestlingKY View Post
    It is pretty much set in my mind that the match was fixed. Boxing is going down the drain and they know it the only draw they have left is Manny and people might not want to buy the fights considering you are just gonna be watching him destroy whoever faces him. Manny was thinking about retiring after this fight and they could not have that, that would be the end of Boxing. So they fixed the fight for him to lose to keep him fighting and generate enough buzz to bring more viewers in. Either the judges messed up or the fight was fixed, the only two options.
    Boxing as we know it is already dead. Theres no governing body hardly to speak of, no comissioner. The promoters run it.

    Part of me wonders if Arum is "fuming" all the way to the bank...
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