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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Adolf, you'd honestly let your arm be broken rather than tap out?

    I'm guessing the top mma guys have a pretty good "feel" for when they can fight out of a hold or when the only choices are to tap or get badly hurt.
    Well since I've never had an MMA fight, nor will I ever, its just speculation (or as PJ says "a joke") but I don't believe I would give up in a pro mma fight setting. There's always a way to win, you just have to find it.

    Defending armbars happens to be a strong area of my game so its easy to talk about what may happen. But with that said, in the event that my arm was extended and locked out, I'm not likely to feel pain (my adrenaline blocks out pain during fights/high stress situations) and thus try to stack my opponent, looking for the counter. Like with Tim Sylvia, sometime the arm breaks before you even realize its that bad.

    Too many guys out there quick tap out of fear (last night was not an example of that).


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    Quote Originally Posted by p-jersey View Post

    Some of the toughest guys in the world of mma have tapped. They are guys who have actually accomplished things and been in front of millions and still realized its smarter to take your loss like a man and live to fight another day. Talking about what you would do if you were to ever fight in front of millions is a joke.
    PJ, we are aware that you have been training for 3 months now, so its natural that you take offense when a non pro speculates on how they may do in a pro mma setting. I meant no disrespect to you or any of the greats who have quit in the cage. I was answering a question and added a little more to support my point.

    The beauty of this situation, where you are concerned is that if a low enough weight class is ever created for you to compete, you can quit at the first submission you're ever caught in and then just tell yourself that quitting is ok. You will have accomplished a lot more than I ever have in MMA. So don't take it so personal and keep training.

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    Exactly adolf I am a complete amateur and I am fully aware of that so I would never compare myself to the best fighters in the world. I didn't watch matt hughes verbally submit to gsp then put on my tough guy hat and come on the forums and talk about how my adrenaline and pride would take over and I would let my arm break before I knew what happened.

    Unfortunately you don't see the difference between yourself and real fighters and ypu insist on trying to tell us what you would do. The point is no one cares what you would do because you are a nobody who has never come close to the level that these fighters compete on.

    I know you're a high level judo player although the records were lost in the old country. I know you were a great cali wrestler but herpes kept you out of states and I know you have some great technical european boxing despite never competing. But seriously let's talk about the guys who have actually been successful mma fighters and keep the fairytales to yourself.
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    Although I have never been caught in a joint lock when competing, I have tapped many times in practice and know exactly when I can no longer defend the submission.
    However, I would never tap to a choke, there is no lost of training time and with decent refs, you will never have any permenant damage for blacking out for a few seconds. I have gotten to the point that when we go hard in practice I will be put out before tapping-recover a few minutes and get back in there.
    Joints you can not do that.
    Adriline is high when competing and I am not sure what I would actually do in the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p-jersey View Post
    Exactly adolf I am a complete amateur and I am fully aware of that so I would never compare myself to the best fighters in the world.

    Unfortunately you don't see the difference between yourself and real fighters and ypu insist on trying to tell us what you would do. The point is no one cares what you would do because you are a nobody who has never come close to the level that these fighters compete on.

    But seriously let's talk about the guys who have actually been successful mma fighters and keep the fairytales to yourself.
    Well PJ, your lack of experience hasn't excluded you from commenting on how it's stupid to not tap out. You're not in there, you don't know what it is to finally make the big show, to compete in front of millions, etc., but that doesn't stop you from adding your $.02. I was specifically asked for my input and I have provided it as best as I can, without the benefit of being an mma fighter. If my posts bother you so much, I can sugggest you no longer read them. If this is personal and you just don't like Adolf, lets take that up on the Adolf blog. This is a serious mma topic and you're hijacking the discussion.
    Lets go Brent!

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    i agree on that fighting thru the choke, if i black out and crap my pants i'd wear em out of the ring as a badge of courage. only a joint lock that i knew would result in disaster, then i'd tap tap tap.
    but then again, i may be retarded

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    Unlike you, P-Jersey, to use sarcasm. (Came across as disrespectful young man).

    Recall that Adolf has proven all skeptics wrong in the past, starting with Heavyweight-1. Lost judo records can be verified by other means (witnesses, accolades). Adolf would be vindicated and P-Jersey would be standing alone with his pants down.

    I imagine Adolf has been caught in judo submissions during international tournaments. I'm confident he has not tapped, allowing him to make this claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post
    Well PJ, your lack of experience hasn't excluded you from commenting on how it's stupid to not tap out. You're not in there, you don't know what it is to finally make the big show, to compete in front of millions, etc., but that doesn't stop you from adding your $.02. I was specifically asked for my input and I have provided it as best as I can, without the benefit of being an mma fighter. If my posts bother you so much, I can sugggest you no longer read them. If this is personal and you just don't like Adolf, lets take that up on the Adolf blog. This is a serious mma topic and you're hijacking the discussion.
    I like Adolf I enjoy many of his posts and get a good laugh fairly often.

    That being said questioning a fighters heart or toughness when they have proven their mettle over the years when you yourself have not is the issue. Since neither one of us have competed in front of millions its not really fair to say that you would be tougher than the proven toughest guys in the sport.

    I think I would tap based on my practice situations and based on my reasoning that I would rather take a loss and work to improve than break my arm. But whether I would tap or not tap in front of millions in an mma fight is not really the point. Its criticizing (not just commenting) the best and toughest guys in sport for tapping even though you have never been in their situation that I disagree with.

    Adolf we have been arguing lately but I still have love for you. I dont want you to get too down over the fact that you assume the young pjersey might not like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.White View Post
    Unlike you, P-Jersey, to use sarcasm. (Came across as disrespectful young man).

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    Haha and there was no sarcasm in Adolfs post? I am sure all of his comments were meant as compliments.

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