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    Awfully thin legs. That's too bad, Hill will be recovering for quite some time.

    The tap or do not tap thing is a good question. We hear so many times about a champion never quits, you should never give up, mind over matter, etc and then someone applies those beliefs in their fight, and he's called a fool. Personally I believe the ref should stop it if there is danger of an injury (like CB Dolloway/Amir II). If a fighter refuses to tap. more power to them. If they are injured as a result, they'll have to deal with it but they'll preserve the integrity of not quitting.

    I'd like to see less guys tap out, especially to strikes (GSP/Serra I), from exhaustion/frustration (Shamrock/Ortiz I), or non joint locks. If you just can't handle the pain and need to be released from a hold, I think we can all understand that.

    Personally, I would never tap out in a fight, no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post
    Awfully thin legs. That's too bad, Hill will be recovering for quite some time.

    The tap or do not tap thing is a good question. We hear so many times about a champion never quits, you should never give up, mind over matter, etc and then someone applies those beliefs in their fight, and he's called a fool. Personally I believe the ref should stop it if there is danger of an injury (like CB Dolloway/Amir II). If a fighter refuses to tap. more power to them. If they are injured as a result, they'll have to deal with it but they'll preserve the integrity of not quitting.

    I'd like to see less guys tap out, especially to strikes (GSP/Serra I), from exhaustion/frustration (Shamrock/Ortiz I), or non joint locks. If you just can't handle the pain and need to be released from a hold, I think we can all understand that.

    Personally, I would never tap out in a fight, no matter what.
    I agree on the exhaustion and strikes but I would tap in an arm bar. Clearly if I got caught in a submission it means I need more work on my sub defense. So rather than prove a useless point I could get back in the gym and improve my skills.

    I didn't learn that al hussein was a tough guy I learned that his sub defense is terrible and he will now pay the price and miss out on valuable practice time.

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    i'd tap to get out of a year of rehab. some times you get caught in a position and tapping is the way out, then do it.
    but then again, i may be retarded

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    I didn't learn that al hussein was a tough guy I learned that his sub defense is terrible and he will now pay the price and miss out on valuable practice time. PJ

    i'd tap to get out of a year of rehab. some times you get caught in a position and tapping is the way out, then do it. 518
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetsFan View Post
    He was foolish not to tap. That armbar was locked in - even during the roll, it was going nowhere - and after the roll, he had an opportunity to tap before the break. Just plain dumb IMO.

    I like Cantwell and think the comments afterward, while maybe a little odd, were more of a heat of the moment thing and breaking the arm is kind of a badge of honor to some.
    Cantwell repeated the same sentiment in the post fight interview back stage and said he has been waiting the last 5 and a half years to break someones arm.

    He also followed that up with saying he wants to fight every newcomer making their debut in the UFC so he can smash them. Gotta love how high the bar is set for the "champ".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post

    Personally, I would never tap out in a fight, no matter what.
    Did you never tap in Judo?
    If you are caught in an arm bar, you are going to lose anyways, might as well go home without the injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Did you never tap in Judo?
    If you are caught in an arm bar, you are going to lose anyways, might as well go home without the injury.
    If you know proper armbar defense, it is not guaranteed that you are going to lose anyways, simply because someone secures the hold on you. I have tapped hundreds of times over the years during practices and even the rare situation in a competition. But a competition is different than fighting professionally, in front of milions. In the latter situation, you have to be of the mind set that you will not quit. You must focus and stay in the zone. I am aware that this could lead to injury but if you're not in that zone, you probably shouldn't be fighting

    The quitting we see in the cage and in boxing rings sickens me.

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    Of course there are defenses to armbars even after the arm is extended but I think the point is when you realize that if you do not tap your arm will be broken that is the time to conceed.

    Some of the toughest guys in the world of mma have tapped. They are guys who have actually accomplished things and been in front of millions and still realized its smarter to take your loss like a man and live to fight another day. Talking about what you would do if you were to ever fight in front of millions is a joke.

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    Adolf, you'd honestly let your arm be broken rather than tap out?

    I'm guessing the top mma guys have a pretty good "feel" for when they can fight out of a hold or when the only choices are to tap or get badly hurt.

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