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  1. #10

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    Beware of the crafty veteran... IMO, Randy is the best game-planner in MMA, he will have plans A, B, & C. Gonzaga was just as big as Brock (I will concede that he is not nearly as strong), but he is WAAAAAAYYY more skilled, and Randy handled him pretty easily. Also, he did it with a broken arm.
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  2. #11

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    Gonzaga's skillset is different though and Brock has some advantages of Gonzaga in certain areas. For example, Gonzaga can't wrestle like Brock and doesn't force guys to "carry his weight" as suggested by Adolf. Randy had the wrestling advantage against Gonzaga - he won't have that here.

    Gonzaga also doesn't hit as hard. If Brock actually gets his hips into a punch and throws with proper technique, he's going to take someone's head off.


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  3. #12

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetsFan View Post
    Gonzaga's skillset is different though and Brock has some advantages of Gonzaga in certain areas. For example, Gonzaga can't wrestle like Brock and doesn't force guys to "carry his weight" as suggested by Adolf. Randy had the wrestling advantage against Gonzaga - he won't have that here.

    Gonzaga also doesn't hit as hard. If Brock actually gets his hips into a punch and throws with proper technique, he's going to take someone's head off.
    I hear you.. Just feel that Randy will make it an interesting fight and will have a strong gameplan for Brock's strengths.
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  4. #13

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    Brother Gonzaga broke his arm late in the fight, when he had virtually nothing left. Kudos to Randy for hanging in there and finishing him anyways. Gonzaga is more skilled than Brock in Jiu Jitsu, but not even close in wreslting and Randy's wrestling was able to overwhelm Gonzaga's Jiu Jitsu. Randy will not be able to do that against Brock. It's just a horrible match up for Randy. Someone tell me what gameplan Randy is going to use, in order to stop the big man from Minnesota. Perhaps outbox him? Brock is going to smother him up against the cage and bludgeon him once on the ground. There's a reason why so many MMA fighters are picking Brock to win and it's because the old man just doesn't match up against him. I'm willing to bet a soda pop that Brock wins this. Any takers?
    Lets go Brent!

  5. #14

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    I found this blog on another discussion

    In arguably the most unlikely of match ups in recent memory, a dream match is born, as Brock Lesnar meets “The Natural” Randy Couture, for the UFC Heavyweight championship. While many MMA fans are grumbling over Lesnar receiving a title shot after only 3 MMA fights, and a 2-1 record, make no mistake, he has a legitimate shot at winning the coveted strap. Randy Couture returns from a self imposed exile and now that the hatchet has been buried with Dana White and the UFC, he will enter the cage for the first time in nearly 15 months. At 45 years of age and facing a man bigger, younger, stronger, faster and a wrecking machine on a mission, Couture will need to employ one of his legendary game plans and then execute to perfection, if he hopes to exit the cage with the gold in tact and a shot at the winner of the Mir/Noguiera showdown.

    Can Randy actually defy father time and the odds, yet again? In order to do so he will have to avoid the bludgeoning power of the former Minnesota Golden Gopher and NCAA Heavyweight Wrestling Champion, while finding a way to inflict damage unto the seemingly indestructible behemoth, who could rock the MMA world by capturing an unthinkable UFC belt during an infant MMA career. Is Lesnar actually the favorite? The betting lines are virtually even, but among MMA pros., he’s the overwhelming choice to win and win big. How is this even feasible?

    In breaking down this fight, we must look at what Randy is likely to do, VS. what Brock will do as a result. Standing is a huge risk for Randy, because although I wouldn’t be surprised to see him out strike Brock, Brock has shown tremendous power when he lands a punch. He dropped Frank Mir easily and had him in big trouble, in only his 2nd MMA fight. Against Heath Herring, who could forget the opening punch of the fight that sent Herring reeling and somersaulting backwards, in route to a one sided victory? Lesnar has gigantic meat hooks for hands and a head like a ball peen hammer. If he hits you, the fight is in position to end and end violently. Conclusion: Don’t stand with this man Randy.

    The clinch game has traditionally been Randy’s bread and butter, leading to controlling the opponent and to takedowns where effective ground and pound is inflicted. But can Randy tie up the big man and handle him for 25 minutes? Who will be more affected by the battle of attrition, inside the clinch and up against the cage? The challenger is likely to weigh 280 pounds, while in tip top shape and the champion probably no more than 225 or so, and aging… I can see Randy going perhaps a round, maybe 2, before he begins to wear down, if he chooses to battle Lesnar for the takedown. Unless Couture is able to secure quick takedowns and work effectively from the top, we could be seeing him stopped inside of 3 rounds and relinquishing his 5th UFC championship.

    If Couture is successful in controlling the fight, taking it to where he wants it and then maintaining position, can he wear Lesnar down sufficiently to end the contest? In the Herring fight, Lesnar showed virtually no signs of tiring. Granted he wasn’t pushed at all by an overwhelmed Texas Crazy Horse.

    And what about if Brock decides he wants to close the distance with a jab, followed by a 2 (that’s a straight right hand for you non boxing enthusiasts), will Couture be able to keep him off of him? Lets suppose Brock looks for the tie up and to rough up Couture against the cage? Can the more accomplished greco practitioner win that battle against the no slouch in his own right, bigger man? How about when Lesnar shoots that freight train double and smashes Randy up against the cage? Who’s going to win that exchange?

    The more I think of it, Couture doesn’t want to trade with Brock, he doesn’t really want to clinch with him, and he’s not likely to win the takedown battle if Brock decides to shoot on him. So how can Couture win? This is MMA, and there’s always the submission hold. In the past 11 years, Randy does own a submission win over Mike Van Arsdale, via anaconda choke. Hmmm, not very likely. Lets stop fooling ourselves here, Brock is going to demolish Couture… and Dana White and company are going to love it. The coup de grace will come inside of 3 rounds and Brock Lesnar will be your new heavyweight champion. There will be a new era in the UFC and a WWF star will sit atop the throne, reigning as champion. And I will love every minute of it. I could only be happier if Kimbo Sliced reigned as champion of WAMMA. LoL...
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  6. #15

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    Good breakdown. We will see. Also, I just like to keep the debate going. As you know, I always respect your opinion Adolf.
    "All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become."

  7. #16

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    Respect is something I value between the core group here at thewrestlingtalk.com. You have always been a class act gjfovf and I value your opinion. I am all for spirited debate, however, and enjoy others input on the match ups.
    Lets go Brent!

  8. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    I assume this will be a 5 rounder?

    Who do you guys think will have the advantage if it goes into the 4th or 5th round?

    In Brock's earlier fights, he came out in a frenzy.

    I wonder if he could pace himself for 5 rounds?
    See, that's just it - Randy Couture is known for using strategy - he studies his opponent's fights and goes in with a gameplan.

    I wouldn't write him off.

    Randy isn't stupid.

    His Wrestling for Fighting book has been really useful to our club.

    I highly recommend that book - great stuff.

    I'd like to see him win.

  9. #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjfovf View Post
    I hear you.. Just feel that Randy will make it an interesting fight and will have a strong gameplan for Brock's strengths.
    I agree. Randy finds a way to make every fight interesting and give himself the best chance to come away with a win. Will be interesting to see what he tries to do. Except for the experience difference, I see this a bit like the Maynard/Edgar matchup from a little while back. They have strengths in the same areas but Brock is bigger and stronger.


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