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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post
    Claudale don't confuse wanting exciting fights with wanting stand up fights, or ground fighting = lay and prayers. Keep in mind in the last year UFC signed Randy Couture, Brock Lesnar and Minotauro Noguiera, not exactly stand up fighters and they paid a ton of money for them. Clearly they want exciting fighters, but that doesn't mean that they have to be stand up fighters.
    True, but Randy also happens to be one of the more popular fighters, Lesnar has a WWF fan base and Nog ends up standing a lot (often getting battered) and is more likely to submit than win by GNP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    BTW, past several UFC FOTN bonuses:

    UFN 15 Neer-Diaz (a grappling-fest)

    UFC 88 Pellegrino-Tavares (whole lot of ground work)

    UFC 87 GSP-Fitch (more groundwork throughout)

    UFC 86 Griffin-Rampage (on the feet mostly, but the most exciting moments were on the ground)

    UFC 85 Wiman-Tavares (pretty balanced fight, lots of excitign groundwork, but ended with a brutal knockout)

    UFN 14 Franca-Edgar (need I say it?)

    Just a quick rundown.
    Last year Clay Guida / Tyson Griffin was awarded FOTN in a split decision. No KO, no sub, and a lot of grappling/groundwork. I think that's a very good example that UFC looks for high octane fights no matter where they occur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    Really? You're trying to say that since the fights involved stand up, that was the defining parts of the fight? All fights start in the standing position, so that seems a bit disingenuous. Pellegrino-Tavares had some nice exchanges, but the majority of the exciting action came on the ground. There were three defining moments of the Griffin-Rampage fight: 1. Rampage knocks Forrest down in the first; 2. Forrest gets a standing guillotine, goes to the ground, and then works from top position the whole round; and 3. Forrest attempts triangle/Rampage attempts powerbomb. 2 out of 3 grappling/ground related. The VAST majority of the Edgar-Franca fight happened on the ground. The flying knees were about the only meaningful things that happened on the feet. And Wiman-tavares was the most balancced fight on the list, but since it ended with the brutal knockouts and not from the great groundwork that took place from both fighters, we can count that as "stand-up." And i thought most of the interesting stuff in GSP-Fitch happened on the ground, such as GSP getting put on his back, getting swept, pounding on Fitch, but there were some good exchanges on the feet. That's still 4 out of 6 fights that were given FOTN after featuring grappling/ground work prominently. Doesn't seem like the UFC is favoring striking.
    I am not trying to say anything I am saying rampage/griffin fitch/gsp and tavares/wiman were all defined by the striking. Gsp killed fitch on the feet and the huge blows that knocked fitch down essentially ended the fight and fitch said as much him.

    All that is irrelevant as I never said ufc does not like or reward exciting all around fights or grappling wars. my point was just becauser they have grapplers does not mean they do not encourage stand up fights to other fighters.
    Gary shaw has said at times they have encouraged exciting standup fights. Yet one of their poster boys (shields) is a straight up grappler and they showcase him on their cbs cards.

    Wilson reis is a grappling phenom and they have been showcasing him on showxc and have made him the champ to promote the 140 lb division.

    Please stop pointing out that ufc has grapplers because that is not my argument.

    Having grapplers on your roster does not mean you not encourage standup fights otherwise elitexc would not have two showcase champions who are strictly grapplers.
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    LOL@ the JB lovers supporting this baseless rant." The FBI should be investigating this.."....hmmm, I wonder why they aren't. Oh, that's right, it's because there is nothing ethically or legally wrong with saying we want an exciting fight since our co-marquee name is now out of the main event. Offering a KO bonus is pretty standard fare in MMA. Those are incentives, nothing more, nothing less.

    Also, it's not like Petruzelli is some kind of grappling dynamo. He's a solid grappler, but he's a striker at heart. And why would he backpedal, unless he knows he misspoke. I mean, if an org is so corrupt as to tell him how and where he could fight, why would he ever want to fight again with them? As usual with JB, much ado about nothing.

    Next thing, he'll tell us he's rented out an entire luxury hotel in Quantico so that he and his staff can announce the FBI findings on this vast conspiracy. This is all very funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dingobrigade View Post
    lol@ The Jb Lovers Supporting This Baseless Rant." The Fbi Should Be Investigating This.."....hmmm, I Wonder Why They Aren't. Oh, That's Right, It's Because There Is Nothing Ethically Or Legally Wrong With Saying We Want An Exciting Fight Since Our Co-marquee Name Is Now Out Of The Main Event. Offering A Ko Bonus Is Pretty Standard Fare In Mma. Those Are Incentives, Nothing More, Nothing Less.

    Also, It's Not Like Petruzelli Is Some Kind Of Grappling Dynamo. He's A Solid Grappler, But He's A Striker At Heart. And Why Would He Backpedal, Unless He Knows He Misspoke. I Mean, If An Org Is So Corrupt As To Tell Him How And Where He Could Fight, Why Would He Ever Want To Fight Again With Them? As Usual With Jb, Much Ado About Nothing.

    Next Thing, He'll Tell Us He's Rented Out An Entire Luxury Hotel In Quantico So That He And His Staff Can Announce The Fbi Findings On This Vast Conspiracy. This Is All Very Funny.
    Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DingoBrigade View Post
    LOL@ the JB lovers supporting this baseless rant." The FBI should be investigating this.."....hmmm, I wonder why they aren't. Oh, that's right, it's because there is nothing ethically or legally wrong with saying we want an exciting fight since our co-marquee name is now out of the main event. Offering a KO bonus is pretty standard fare in MMA. Those are incentives, nothing more, nothing less.

    Also, it's not like Petruzelli is some kind of grappling dynamo. He's a solid grappler, but he's a striker at heart. And why would he backpedal, unless he knows he misspoke. I mean, if an org is so corrupt as to tell him how and where he could fight, why would he ever want to fight again with them? As usual with JB, much ado about nothing.

    Next thing, he'll tell us he's rented out an entire luxury hotel in Quantico so that he and his staff can announce the FBI findings on this vast conspiracy. This is all very funny.
    Great assessment Dingo..Lol...
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    Lets take a further look at the UFC promotions

    1. Currently, the UFC champions are:
    BJ Penn (grappler who can strike)
    GSP (grappler who can strike)
    Anderson Silva (striker who can grapple)
    Forrest Griffin (striker who can grapple)
    Randy COuture/Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (grapplers who can strike)

    2. The current UFC HW "tournament" consists of 4 fighters, all primarily grapplers.

    3. The history of the UFC shows grapplers being given the title shots (and being the UFC champions). In the ZUFFA era, 5 of 7 HW champions were grapplers(Barnett, Ricco, Mir, Couture, Nog). The two strikers were Arlovski and Sylvia. The LHW title has 2 of 6 grapplers, Tito and Randy. Strikers were Vitor, Chuck, Rampage, and Forrest. The MW championship has been held by 3 of 5 grapplers. The grapplers are Menne, Tanner (RIP), and Busta. The strikers are Franklin and A. Silva The WW title has been held exclusively by grapplers, 6 of 6 (Miletich, Newton, Hughes, Penn, GSP, Serra). The LW title was held 2 out of 3 by grapplers (Sherk and Penn), with the the striker being Jens Pulver.

    All in all, there is no evidence that the UFC encourages fighters to stand and bang. There is evidence that they ask fighters to try to finish fights, which is a completely different thing. Further, there is no evidence they have ever encouraged a specific fighter to play into their main eventers strengths, as seems to be the case with Kimbo-Petruzelli.
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    It's sort of a given at this stage of MMA evolution that all the champs, and most of the contenders, are very well-rounded.

    It's still a fact that standup is considered more exciting by most MMA fans.
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