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    Quote Originally Posted by MetsFan View Post
    I think you guys are confusing Pimach's reference to "undercard" with "dark" card. He's not saying he is not worthy of being on the main PPV or televised card - just that his skill & experience is more equivalent to guys who are not in the headlining event. I don't see that as being that outrageous of a statement.
    The reason it came off that was is because we were talking about the guys who only make a few thousand dollars and are entry level fighters ie fighting for the first couple of times in the UFC. Those guys typically fight on the prelims so that is what I thought pimach was suggesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p-jersey View Post
    The reason it came off that was is because we were talking about the guys who only make a few thousand dollars and are entry level fighters ie fighting for the first couple of times in the UFC. Those guys typically fight on the prelims so that is what I thought pimach was suggesting.
    This Baretto dude got it mixed up and confusing, it was actually two different things, Brock status and Brocks payment and how it should affect the lower paid guys
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    I misunderstood?

    You start by saying the $750 crowd should get more since the UFC paid the same type of fighter (brock) big money and even gave him a title shot at 1-1. Then you followed up that with "Brock is an entry level fighter", "Brock is a newb with a name", and "Brock is an undercard fighter."

    If I misunderstood I guess you might see how. Either way I agree with you that lower fighters deserve more money. I just don't think Brock is the reason they deserve more.

    Imagine how different things would be if the UFC put in a 5K minimum, plus 2.5K more minimum for every UFC fight you've had. It would increase there costs by about half a percent a show but would take care of the biggest problems in fighter pay.

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    Speaking of all this pay increase, my nephew just got hired at McDonald's for just over $6/per hour. How can McDonald's, the world wide power of fast food pay their entry level employees such poor wages? Shouldn't a minimum of $12/per hour be implemented immediately, simply because that would be fair?
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    Quote Originally Posted by p-jersey View Post
    Obviously and I have never denied that is why he is already fighting for the main event.

    The point I was disagreeing with is that Lesnar has undercard talent. I think in his two fights against talented veterans of the sport he has proven that he is far above undercard talent.

    Angle is not even in mma and if he ever was do honestly think he would not be a main card draw?

    Rosholt and Hendricks both but they do not have immense size and strength advantages over their opponents. The wrestling was just one aspect that I mentioned about Lesnar.

    As for Pete Jersey if he ever decides to enter mma I am sure some freakshow matches against much larger opponents will headline ufc ppv's.
    Angle, of course, has the same WWF appeal. He's been talking to Dana for years now and I think its a money issue

    I imagine Rosholt and Hendricks are stronger than most, in Lesnar's case he's bigger than most HWs but not all of course. Tim Sylvia probably weighed about the same.

    Maybe you can be the next guy who "fights people at barbeques" when we setup the match with CAP. Dana might feel obligated to sign you before Elite does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post
    Speaking of all this pay increase, my nephew just got hired at McDonald's for just over $6/per hour. How can McDonald's, the world wide power of fast food pay their entry level employees such poor wages? Shouldn't a minimum of $12/per hour be implemented immediately, simply because that would be fair?
    Adolf, I think this story is made up. McDonalds often does pay pretty well in urban areas and I doubt you have relatives that aren't coming to you for a high paying, cushy job.

    The difference of course, is anyone could work at McDonalds (handicap people and people who can't speak English often work there) while the UFC says they have the best fighters (pro athletes) in the world. Let's compare them to other multi-million dollar sports and not fast food chains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barrettO View Post
    I misunderstood?

    You start by saying the $750 crowd should get more since the UFC paid the same type of fighter (brock) big money and even gave him a title shot at 1-1. Then you followed up that with "Brock is an entry level fighter", "Brock is a newb with a name", and "Brock is an undercard fighter."

    If I misunderstood I guess you might see how. Either way I agree with you that lower fighters deserve more money. I just don't think Brock is the reason they deserve more.

    Imagine how different things would be if the UFC put in a 5K minimum, plus 2.5K more minimum for every UFC fight you've had. It would increase there costs by about half a percent a show but would take care of the biggest problems in fighter pay.

    It's amazing how cheap they are. I'd like to see the minimum be more like $20g per fight. It wouldn't make a big difference overall as you mentioned, since they pull in so much for tickets, PPV, DVDs, television, merchandise.

    Cheapness also comes with bad press, so I don't understand why they insist on being so cheap - guess they are just control freaks (which is consistent with their contract wording)
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    Quote Originally Posted by clmetal View Post
    It's amazing how cheap they are. I'd like to see the minimum be more like $20g per fight. It wouldn't make a big difference overall as you mentioned, since they pull in so much for tickets, PPV, DVDs, television, merchandise.

    Cheapness also comes with bad press, so I don't understand why they insist on being so cheap - guess they are just control freaks (which is consistent with their contract wording)
    20K would be a bit much right now. On its own it would not signifigantly dent their profits, but it would drive up considerably the salaries of all the guys currently in the 20-50K range and that could be a serious hit to profits. Now a profit hit is not the end of the world, but like I said, the reason I think 5K should be a no brainer is that it wouldn't hurt anyone.

    Either way, the big problem is the lower tier fighters, but the upper tier guys are the only ones with the power to change it. I think the only hope is that a team/gym becomes so strong they can offer something comparable to a union in terms of negotiation. Couture is the only possibility I see, since I don't see the UFC growing a heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrettO View Post
    20K would be a bit much right now. On its own it would not signifigantly dent their profits, but it would drive up considerably the salaries of all the guys currently in the 20-50K range and that could be a serious hit to profits. Now a profit hit is not the end of the world, but like I said, the reason I think 5K should be a no brainer is that it wouldn't hurt anyone.

    Either way, the big problem is the lower tier fighters, but the upper tier guys are the only ones with the power to change it. I think the only hope is that a team/gym becomes so strong they can offer something comparable to a union in terms of negotiation. Couture is the only possibility I see, since I don't see the UFC growing a heart.
    They made $65m and they constantly charge fans more and pick up new revenue streams. Count the # of guys in a show who make less than $20g times and take the difference vs what they made the number of shows per year - it's really nothing for them and certainly not a lot for a pro sports league who charges fans so much.
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