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    Kimbo gets a mulligan? STFU.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MetsFan View Post
    Adolf - Are you watching? The fights are actually pretty entertaining.
    I will be in about 35 minutes. I find most fights entertaining, that's not my issue with Elite XC, Affliction, etc. How about the weight issues with Carano for example. The date changes, cancelations, rescheduling of major events. Guys not getting cleared at the last minute. Some things the promotion cannot control, but I don't see it happen nearly as much with the UFC as it happens with the others and UFc puts on a ton of shows. I will watch tonight and I will be entertained, but I can't help but wish I was watching a UFC product instead. Actually I will be watching UFC 86 replay, just so I can watch a first rate promotion while I view Elite XC
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    Carano made weight - and did what many a wrestler and fighter has done in the past - multiple attempts and stripping down - I see no negative in that. Date changes, cancellations, & rescheduling are all the same thing - so that counts as one, and Elite hasn't done that much that I recall. Plus, they get a little slack given they're still a relatively young organization compared to the UFC. Guys not getting cleared happened with Affliction, not Elite - and I think a lot of what you're referring to happened with Affliction rather than Elite. Ken bumping his head is obviously not their fault - and they sent Kimbo out there to fight anyway (could've easily cancelled the fight to protect him). So I give them credit for that, unless of course they believed their own Kimbo hype and thought he could easily beat someone off the undercard. On the whole, though, this was a pretty good show that went off pretty smoothly given what they had to deal with that was in fact beyond their control.


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    Carano made weight inspite of missing it 4 times previously. I'm not impressed Metsfan. You mean to tell me that she gets pass for the recent failures simply because she finally made it? It is her job to make it. I guess we can agree to disagree.

    Date changes, cancelations and rescheduling are far from the same thing. Lets say a date changes from 10/01 to 11/01 and the card happens. How is that the same as if the 10/01 card was simply cancelled and never happened? Again, agree to disagree.

    Ken bumping his head is no ones fault but Ken's. With that said, Elite XC is the promoter and they are the ones who have to deliver. If they can't sign guys that will be ok to go after weigh ins, then it is on them. Once again, agree to disagree.

    I disagree that they could have simply sat Kimbo down and saved their guy. The entire audiance tuned in to see him and if they didnt make a fight happen for him, they would have lost a ton of credability. As it is, many fans were unhappy with their production, officiating and order of the fights (many were angry that Kimbo fought last, instead of Lawler vs Smith). I'm not one of those, could care less about the order of the fights. I think that's just people nit picking at something to find wrong with Elite XC. Like complaining that they show girls dancing during the broadcast for example. Agree to disagree one more time.
    Lets go Brent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post
    Give me some UFC instead. These other organizations can't seem to keep their cards from falling apart, switching to other dates, etc. Listen up Caludale and listen well, there simply is not anything that compares to the UFC. And that's the bottom line, please dont spin it. Others may try and compete, throw money at guys but in the end, they are all pretenders.
    I'll ignore the fact that you're a kimbo fan and believer in my response (although I think you are blaming the organization for an event capped by his poor performance).

    I thought the fights tonight were pretty good, of course the main event was a let down. In Kimbo's defense, training for Ken is very different than Seth, who's a striker with good kicks. He was probably worried about takedowns and leg locks.

    This was a last minute matchup and the original main event was interesting at least - 2 well known fighters that aren't in anyone's top 10.

    The last Affliction was headlined by 2 top 5 Hwts (it was the former 2x UFC champ who was blown out in no time). The matchup was a long time Pride HWT champ vs a long time UFC HWT champ - the UFC wouldn't pay for that and someone else made that fight (and many other good fights) possible. You admitted to breaking down and buying it and from your reaction here, you were clearly watching it live.

    Anderson - Irvin was the UFC's main event that night and not only was that one quick (lasting only 25 seconds more than the Fedor fight), many viewed it as a mismatch before it even started (unlike Affliction's main event). Wasn't exactly a match people dreamed about before it was pieced together sloppily. We didn't want to see Anderson fight just any 205 pounder, we wanted to see him matchup against a top 205 pounder.

    UFC's had plenty of bad main events too and plenty of boring fights too. Couture - Vitor 2 comes to mind, Tito-Ken 3. Rashad - Bisping was 2 unranked fighters at the time and the fight was boring. I could name plenty of terrible fights on the main cards of UFCs.

    Looking forward, the next UFC main event is Leben - Bisping. Neither are ranked in the top 10. That card has only 2 ranked fighters; a #10 and a #8, tonight had a #4 and #5.
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    Adolf, the UFC used Ken 15 times and had him as a coach on TUF. Pride's also used him, his cut doesn't fall on anyone else. People have pulled out of UFC fights too - Cote was in the main event in his first UFC show at a higher weight because of a pullout.

    You criticize struggling organizations to keep dates while cheering the UFC for stopping venues from hosting the events, holding free events to hurt their chances of making money, calling radio stations to stop them from talking about upcoming events other than the UFC's and having influence over sanctioning bodies and Yahoo Sports (where they pay much more attention to the UFC than they should and much less to Affliction and Dream).

    The UFC also stopped that show from happening the night before because they have "cagefighting" in their name - dicking all the fighters and doing at a time where it was too late for them to correct it and still hold the show.

    Are you trying to kiss up to VAK with a response like this?
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    Claudale the basis of your rgument is flawed. I have yet to see the fights, any of them. The show begins in 8 minutes. Yes I am disappointed that Ken didn't fight and thus my bets are off. But there being a let down in the main event is simply not anything that I can possibly judge the card on, being that I have yet to see it or read about it. Yes I can tell Kimbo must have lost due to a post made by an individual I have on ignore, but I certainly can't read what it says. I was careful in this thread to not read the posts that have results. I have no clue if Carrano won or if Shields won. So again, the main event being a let down has nothing to do with it.

    It seems to me that Elite XC is just not very well put together adn that's what I expressed. As far as the upcoming Bisping/Leban main event, if you dont like it, you can simply pick from any of the other 5 UFC cards in the next 3 months. No problem, you don't like the product, there are other options. This hasn't been an issue with me regarding Elite. I have enjoyed all of their cards thus far and look forward to tonight. They just look bad Claudale. Don't get me wrong, Caranno dropping her panties was hot, so where are the men from this very site that were hating on Elite XC for having cheerleaders? Now they have a stripper! It just looks bad. CBS puts on a show and they have a bunch of guys holding up towels with their teeth while their girl misses weight a couple of times. I've got people sitting here next to me can't wait to see the stripper fight and hopefully have her clothes ripped off so they can see what they missed at the weigh ins. That is not my idea of MMA. We can agree to disagree, however, Claudale.
    Lets go Brent!

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    I believe someone on here once told me that agreeing to disagree is a concession of defeat. So ... I accept your concession Adolf


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    Quote Originally Posted by clmetal View Post
    Adolf, the UFC used Ken 15 times and had him as a coach on TUF. Pride's also used him, his cut doesn't fall on anyone else. People have pulled out of UFC fights too - Cote was in the main event in his first UFC show at a higher weight because of a pullout.

    You criticize struggling organizations to keep dates while cheering the UFC for stopping venues from hosting the events, holding free events to hurt their chances of making money, calling radio stations to stop them from talking about upcoming events other than the UFC's and having influence over sanctioning bodies and Yahoo Sports (where they pay much more attention to the UFC than they should and much less to Affliction and Dream).

    The UFC also stopped that show from happening the night before because they have "cagefighting" in their name - dicking all the fighters and doing at a time where it was too late for them to correct it and still hold the show.

    Are you trying to kiss up to VAK with a response like this?
    Claudale I am not disputing that Ken was a legitimate fighter at one time. I am aware that Ken is a UFc and Pride vet. What I am saying is that everyone tuning in to tonights show will be letdown since UFC and Pride vet Ken will not fight. Hell don't believe me, I just watched his brother Frank put the blame on Ken for going too hard. I wasn't there so I can't specualte, but if I were a fighter, I certainly would take it very easy the day of the fight. It's just a huge mess and I'm disappointed. I'm hosting a party for Pete's sake!

    As far as me cheerng when the UFC gives us a free card, damn straight Claudale! Why on earth would I look a gift horse in the teeth? Give me a free show every single week and I'll be thrilled. I just don't understand your logic.

    Finally, you make that last statement on your post to me in person, and you'll be picking up your teeth when you wake up. Keep this civil Claudale, I'm not playing.
    Lets go Brent!

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