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    Default Takedowns for the win.

    After watching the horribly boring Evans vs. Silva fight I knew that Rashad would win but I was wondering why. All he did in my estimation was get takedowns. He did no damage from the top or in his stand up game. Granted Silva did even less mostly because Rashad did not want to fight rather he wanted to win a takedown contest. I dont believe that takedowns should win you a fight if you do nothing once you have sucured a takedown. To me it is stalling or working for a stalemate rather than trying to win. Is there any solution to keep this from happening, what kind of penalties could be enforced, or should there be a legit time limit if the ref does not see any offense being mounted to stand the fighter up again.

    Does it bother anyone else that someone can win fights based on their takedown ability?

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    Control is pretty important in a real fight, but a bad lay n pray MMA match is pretty damn boring.

    Winning is still the most important. A lot of people don't like the Machida Movement (duck, dodge, counter, win on points) any more than the blanket style. Granted, Machida has kicked it up a notch in recent bouts, but Evans has also had some dynamic fights as well. Evans beat a very dangerous opponent and did what he had to do to win.
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    Default Re: Takedowns for the win.

    Quote Originally Posted by DingoBrigade View Post
    Control is pretty important in a real fight, but a bad lay n pray MMA match is pretty damn boring.

    Winning is still the most important. A lot of people don't like the Machida Movement (duck, dodge, counter, win on points) any more than the blanket style. Granted, Machida has kicked it up a notch in recent bouts, but Evans has also had some dynamic fights as well. Evans beat a very dangerous opponent and did what he had to do to win.

    I understand that I dont blame him for doing it. I guess I would like to scoring to push for more action and reward someone for just laying on someone. At the very least I want them to stand them up after it is apparent the fight its not attempting any offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    I understand that I dont blame him for doing it. I guess I would like to scoring to push for more action and reward someone for just laying on someone. At the very least I want them to stand them up after it is apparent the fight its not attempting any offense.
    standing the fight up is at the discretion of the individual ref, some will stand it up others will let it go if it appears some action is being taken.
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    There wasnt much laying in this fight as silva would get back to his feet fairly quickly. I also thought evans was winning the exchanges in the first two rounds, as he would throw a 2 or 3 punch combo and shoot in. It was not exciting but effective.

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    Pride was on to something with the yeLlow cards for passivity.
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    Default Re: Takedowns for the win.

    Quote Originally Posted by DingoBrigade View Post
    Pride was on to something with the yeLlow cards for passivity.
    Maybe they were, but I don't think it would have applied in this fight.
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    Rashad didn't stall. He was able to have limited success with some striking and was able to take Silva down numerous times. You don't penalize the guy because he didn't cause a lot of damage. The fight spent little time on the ground and in fact, Silva failed to do much of anything himself, with exception on the flurry he landed near the end. I don't think you can punish anyone for that effort, rather recognize that neither guy was able to hurt the other much, in spite of trying their best to do so. I saw no stalling.
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    Default Re: Takedowns for the win.

    If two guys are beating each other up equally on their feet, but one of them scores a takedown in each round, I have no problem with that fighter getting the unanimous decision. If they do nothing but lay and pray, the ref has to take note and start quicker standups and give warnings. Stalling should be enforced much like it is in wrestling. Of course, at the moment, there are not any penalties for stalling.

    Rashad is not an example of this. Silva looked horrible in that fight. Remember that Rashad was getting taken down at will against Sean Salmon. It showed that Rashad is not an elite wrestler in MMA. However, you would think he was the way he took down Thiago with relative ease.

    Rashad has a gassing problem, and he should have lost that fight. Silva apparantly didn't have the killer instinct we thought he had.
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