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    Star Georges St. Pierre Won't Compete in the Olympics

    Fans of Georges St. Pierre and of MMA are very excited about the possibility of St. Pierre's Olympic aspirations.

    Sorry to burst your bubbles, but it ain't happening, and that's a something we should be happy about.

    There were lots of reasons to want St. Pierre to go to the Olympics. Going to the Olympics might bring some great mainstream exposure to the sport of MMA if one of its most popular fighters were to have success at the Games.

    Furthermore, fans of St. Pierre probably recognized that it would be a great note on his resume were he to make the Canadian Olympic team and have success at the Games.

    Ultimately, the cost of such an endeavor will be just too much for St. Pierre, and he'll choose MMA.

    In fact, St. Pierre has already chosen MMA over the Olympic dream on a previous occasion, before UFC 79. At the time, St. Pierre was attempting to qualify for the Olympics, but dropped that dream when he accepted a spot as a late replacement for the injured Matt Serra.

    Over two years later, if the situation has changed, it only makes more sense now for St. Pierre to stay in MMA.

    Even as little as two years ago, the UFC and the sport of MMA were still not nearly as big as they have become today.

    A few years ago, a move into the Olympics might have generated a little bit more legitimacy to the sport of MMA, but at the present time, MMA hardly needs any additional legitimacy.

    MMA has since exploded, and to say that St. Pierre is one of the sport's biggest stars doesn't even begin to describe his place in the sport. St. Pierre might just have more potential to bring the sport of MMA to the mainstream than anybody else.

    Brock Lesnar certainly has some mass appeal, but he doesn't have the same kind of squeaky-clean image that St. Pierre brings.

    It's no coincidence that St. Pierre was the first UFC fighter to become sponsored by Under Armour and Gatorade. Whatever it is that allows a person to become a crossover star, St. Pierre has it. And as St. Pierre becomes more popular, he brings the sport of MMA along with him.

    Aside from commercial opportunities, potential fights in the future for GSP include a third match with BJ Penn, a possible super-fight with Anderson Silva, and a string of fights that could make him the longest-reigning welterweight champion in UFC history.

    None of those things will happen if he's not competing in MMA over the next few years.

    There have been other figures who have crossed over from one pursuit to another, but few have made such a significant investment of time.

    Most competitions are a little bit friendlier to superstars in their fields. The ADCC tournament, for example, allows some MMA fighters to skip the qualification process, so that they don't need to put their careers on hold. There is no such shortcut for St. Pierre.

    Many people with knowledge of the Olympic qualifying process have said that St. Pierre would need to devote as much as 18 months singularly toward wrestling if he were going to make the Olympic team.

    Add on to that time the complicated scheduling of UFC fights, and the training time it will take for GSP to get back into MMA after his Olympic pursuit, and we could be talking about an absence from MMA lasting longer than two years in the prime of his career.

    Even if the Olympic gold medal were a sure thing, which it isn't by any means, it would still be a tremendous investment of time.

    Other than being more lucrative, and probably better for the sport, St. Pierre's decision to stay in MMA will also be a better use of his abilities.

    St. Pierre is lauded for his wrestling abilities, but the reason that he is so successful with his wrestling in MMA is not because of his wrestling by itself, but because he mixes his wrestling into his overall game better than anybody else.

    Frankly, St. Pierre's ability to integrate his multiple skills is far more valuable than his wrestling skill alone.

    There have been many great wrestlers who have tried their hand at MMA, but have only met with limited success.

    Olympic gold medalist Karam Gaber lost brutally in his first MMA fight.

    U.S. Olympic alternate Chael Sonnen has had some success in MMA, but has never really fully absorbed the submission grappling game, or even striking for that matter.

    Olympic silver medalist Matt Lindland has also had some success, but even in his prime, his wrestling was no match for the submission grappling skill of Murilo Bustamante.

    I find it very hard to believe that St. Pierre is a better wrestler than either Gaber or Lindland, and yet St. Pierre is inarguably far better suited for MMA. MMA is where he should stay.

    I'm pretty sure that St. Pierre feels the same way, but doesn't want to say anything in absolute terms until he is completely sure of his decision.

    Randy Couture was asked a question about St. Pierre in a recent interview with the Las Vegas Sun, and said as much himself, having talked to St. Pierre about it at length.

    The interview with Randy Couture really says everything that you need to know.

    St. Pierre has become such a huge star in MMA that when people talk to UFC Hall of Famer Couture, they ask him questions about GSP.

    Couture is a former Olympic alternate himself, and is the exact example of the kind of a person who is a much better fighter than he is a wrestler.

    Couture's career is hardly incomplete due to him never having won an Olympic medal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMA Reporter View Post
    Olympic gold medalist Karam Gaber lost brutally in his first MMA fight.
    Karam Gaber lost without MMA experience after only two weeks of specific training and was defeated by another Greco Roman Wrestler : Kazuyuki Fujita (12-4-0). This Fujita (age 34) :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gJraPajo5Y



    Quote Originally Posted by MMA Reporter View Post
    U.S. Olympic alternate Chael Sonnen has had some success in MMA, but has never really fully absorbed the submission grappling game, or even striking for that matter.
    And??? There are a lot of wrestler with a strong submission grappling game! Raphael Davis (2008 and 2009 Grappling world champion) defeated Vinny Magalhaes (6 time bjj world champion) by submission in MMA.

    About world Grappling championship 2009 :

    "All of the men’s champions were college wrestlers: Makovsky (Drexel), LeCuyer (Northern Illinois), Askren (Missouri), Davis (Cal-State Bakersfield), Anundson (Newberry)."

    http://www.themat.com/section.php?se...rticleID=21178

    In this competition Rodrigo Comprido Medeiros (7 time bjj world champion) ranked 5th and was submitted by guillotine choke!


    Quote Originally Posted by MMA Reporter View Post
    Olympic silver medalist Matt Lindland has also had some success, but even in his prime, his wrestling was no match for the submission grappling skill of Murilo Bustamante.
    Dan Handerson defeated Murilo Bustamante and Matt Lindland submitted Fabio Leopoldo (3 time bjj world champion) by Rear Naked Choke.

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    Default Re: Georges St. Pierre Won't Compete in the Olympics

    Was Chael Sonnen really an Olympic alternate?
    I know he had a NCAA 7th, but I never heard of him until he was in MMA.

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    I think you're underestimating the allure of being an Olympian. Competing in the Olympic Games is, for many, a dream since childhood. St. Pierre has made his money, proved himself in MMA and may be refocusing on a goal that MMA and money can't buy- being a participant in the Olympic Games.

    Alexander Ovechkin is a good example. He has voiced several times that he would be willing to breach his NHL contract to play in the 2014 Games in Moscow. Competing in the Olympics transcends so much that St. Pierre may be willing to give up MMA and the fame and the sponsorships to become an Olympian.

    And you neglected to look at the benefits of him making the Olympic Team for the sport of wrestling. Having a main-stream athlete compete in 'our' sport will do nothing but positive things for wreslting. Canada especially experienced a spike of interest after Igali won gold in Sydney. The windfall from St. Pierre making the Olympic Team and CBC covering each of his matches would be enormous for a sport that most of us can admit, is dying slowly.

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    Default Re: Georges St. Pierre Won't Compete in the Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by AnklePicker2 View Post
    I think you're underestimating the allure of being an Olympian. Competing in the Olympic Games is, for many, a dream since childhood. St. Pierre has made his money, proved himself in MMA and may be refocusing on a goal that MMA and money can't buy- being a participant in the Olympic Games.

    Alexander Ovechkin is a good example. He has voiced several times that he would be willing to breach his NHL contract to play in the 2014 Games in Moscow. Competing in the Olympics transcends so much that St. Pierre may be willing to give up MMA and the fame and the sponsorships to become an Olympian.

    And you neglected to look at the benefits of him making the Olympic Team for the sport of wrestling. Having a main-stream athlete compete in 'our' sport will do nothing but positive things for wreslting. Canada especially experienced a spike of interest after Igali won gold in Sydney. The windfall from St. Pierre making the Olympic Team and CBC covering each of his matches would be enormous for a sport that most of us can admit, is dying slowly.
    It would be a huge accomplishment and I would respect him for even trying.

    He's already the champ with no real threats in his weight class. In MMA the only things he can do is generate a winning streak or prove himself at 185. This would be a unique feat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnklePicker2 View Post
    I think you're underestimating the allure of being an Olympian. Competing in the Olympic Games is, for many, a dream since childhood. St. Pierre has made his money, proved himself in MMA and may be refocusing on a goal that MMA and money can't buy- being a participant in the Olympic Games.

    Alexander Ovechkin is a good example. He has voiced several times that he would be willing to breach his NHL contract to play in the 2014 Games in Moscow. Competing in the Olympics transcends so much that St. Pierre may be willing to give up MMA and the fame and the sponsorships to become an Olympian.

    And you neglected to look at the benefits of him making the Olympic Team for the sport of wrestling. Having a main-stream athlete compete in 'our' sport will do nothing but positive things for wreslting. Canada especially experienced a spike of interest after Igali won gold in Sydney. The windfall from St. Pierre making the Olympic Team and CBC covering each of his matches would be enormous for a sport that most of us can admit, is dying slowly.
    Ovechkin is a full time hockey player, living and breathing the game. GSP is a part time wrestler at best who we dont even know could touch Canadas best, practice is one thing competition is another especially for lifelong wrestlers who live and breath the sport.

    not only that but the IOC does drug tests.
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    Yea ovechkin is the best hockey player in the world, and would become even more of a national hero if he led his team to olympic title. GSP is one of the best mma fighters in the world who would be a longshot to do anything at the olympics, in a country that isnt really rich in wrestling history.

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    Default Re: Georges St. Pierre Won't Compete in the Olympics

    I made this point before, that so much of high level FS wrestling does not have any application to MMA. Not exposing the back during a scramble, par terrre offense and defense are techniques that top level wrestlers need to be great at. It does not make sense for GSP to learn these (and them become world class) if he wants to stay in MMA.

    I think this is a case of MMA fans who are so impressed with his MMA wrestling that they think he is a real contender for Olympic Gold. I have had an MMA junkie tell me how both the Canadian Olympic Judo and Wrestling team asks GSP to be their team. I also think GSP, when asks, says how great it would be to be an Olympic wrestling out respect for the sport of wrestling.

    It is very unlikely that he will give it a serious go and even more unlikely that he could make the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Was Chael Sonnen really an Olympic alternate?
    I know he had a NCAA 7th, but I never heard of him until he was in MMA.
    I don't remember him being highly rated for the US in either style. Heck, I don't really even remember him wrestling post-collegiately.

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