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    Star Boxer James Toney Wants UFC Debut

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    As the pendulum of popularity starts favoring mixed martial arts over boxing, athletes from different facets of the combat sports world will start gravitating towards the octagons or cages.*

    Whether it is football legend Herschel Walker, NCAA wrestling champion turned WWE superstar Brock Lesnar, or now current IBO and NABO heavyweight boxing champion James Toney; all want a crack at the fastest growing sport in America, MMA.

    It has been reported by mmajunkie.com that the 41-year-old boxing legend Toney made his octagon desires apparent to UFC president Dana White after attending December?s UFC 107 in Memphis, Tenn.* Toney was also in attendance for Saturday?s UFC 108 event in Las Vegas where he reportedly joked about showing up at White?s private residence unless the brash boss offered him a chance to enter the octagon.*

    The lighthearted threat struck a chord, causing White to jokingly respond, ?I'm going to go sit right down with [Toney] before he goes to my [expletive] house.?

    The signing of a boxer passed his prime and in his 40s is unlikely for White, who was highly critical of Strikeforce?s acquisition of 47-year-old Herschel Walker months back.*

    "Listen, let me tell you what: I got blasted this week? Let me make this fight (with Toney)," White said. "That will get me [expletive] blasted. I'm the first guy out there going, 'This is a [expletive] freak show. Who would put on a fight like this?' I'm the first guy that would say that. I'm always saying it when freak shows happen.?

    As the probability of seeing Toney throw four ounce leather dwindles, White still allowed ?Light?s Out? a chance to make his case.

    "When [Toney] first started following me in Memphis, I said, 'Do you know how to wrestle?'" White said. "'I know how to do all that [expletive],' he says. 'Yeah, yeah. I know how to do all that [expletive].'"

    White remained skeptical, sarcastically replying, ?OK.?

    While Toney?s wrestling claim seems suspect, White went on to further explain the importance for boxers to accept the realization that their sweet science is executed completely different by MMA fighters despite each athlete learning the same basics.

    "Zab Judah was here tonight, too, and I'm friends with Zab," White said. "Zab's like, 'Man, you need to teach these guys how to box. You need to do this and that.' But these guys don't understand ?I learned?you don't balance your weight the same way you balance your weight in boxing. You'll get that front leg kicked off into the eighth row somewhere if you distribute your weight like they do in boxing.

    "It's just totally different, and there's an education process there for these guys that I [expletive] learned the hard way.?

    Personal experience in both sports has given the UFC exec a unique perspective into the intricacies of each martial art.

    "I got choked out, kicked in the leg, and all this stuff that happens," White said. "When I started, believe me, I was that guy. I was Zab Judah. I was like, 'That [expletive] is [expletive]. You know what* a boxer would do to that guy?' Until I went in and started doing it.

    "I was like, 'Holy [expletive]. This is crazy.' You just have to see the light. You have to get into it and see."

    Rumors aside, White later expressed his admiration for the successful boxer, but followed with a fair warning.*

    "[Toney] is actually a guy whom I respect," White said. "This guy is tough as nails.* He's mean. He's nasty but he better get in shape if he wants to come and do this stuff."

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    We still have never seen a quality boxer step into an mma fighter when he was even close to his prime. It is silly for dana to say he learned the hard way the same way a boxer of judahs caliber would learn.

    Most strikers in mma are 10th rate compared to world class boxers, if they even attempted to get into exchanges they would have their head knocked into the 5th row. There may be some world class k-1 kickboxers who could exploit their legs, but they would be equally at risk of being knocked out by the boxer.

    Of course a boxer would be demoralized if they fought a wrestler with ground skills but that is not much different than most of the current strikers who have had a good amount of success such as daley, a. johnson, kongo, manhoef etc etc. and none of those guys are close to the skills of a prime zab judah.

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    PJ, the better the boxer, the more likely he is to be taken down. The level of commitment to striking is inversely proportional to take down defense. Take Hendo for example, everyone takes him down. It isn't because he doesn't have good take down defense, it is because he is committed to striking. It would be nearly impossible for a world class boxer to win in the octagon if the opponent has decent take downs and was not interested in standing with him. The take down game is simply way too easy to exploit against a guy whos specialty is boxing.

    Toney, old and slow, would be decimated in the cage, provided the opponent actually tried to finish him, (no fix is in).
    Lets go Brent!

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    Adolf i understand that and that is why said if they faced a wrestler they would be demoralized. If a current mma striker got into exchanges with a top flight boxer they would be crushed.

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    I was just adding that point. I'm not saying you didn't already know that. I think we're all clear that the MMA striking level is several notches below world class boxer level and it would be pretty ugly if the two were to cross paths.
    Lets go Brent!

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    I do not agree that the better the boxer the more he will be taken down. The amount of comitment a boxer has to a punch is a fraction of your typical mma fighter. A boxer knows enough to rely on his mechanics to throw hundreds of punches from his hip and back rather than the shoulders. An mma fighter is more prone to throwing haymakers from his shoulders. Good boxing mechanics already have shoulders included in the motion, without comitting to the punch. And their footwork keeps them out of harms way. In and out and creating angles make it hard to find opportunities for a takedown. And given the the tight elbows, and low comittment to each punch, they should have a better chance of sprawing than your brawler.

    Kermit Cintron would be a great crossover imo. Elite boxing with takedown defense would be something most fighters would not be able to deal with. And the key is their footwork. Jay Hieron is one of the best wrestlers to possess real boxing. Edgar, Massenzio, and Maynard have shown to make some great improvements in this area toward being real boxers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leglace View Post
    I do not agree that the better the boxer the more he will be taken down. The amount of comitment a boxer has to a punch is a fraction of your typical mma fighter. A boxer knows enough to rely on his mechanics to throw hundreds of punches from his hip and back rather than the shoulders. An mma fighter is more prone to throwing haymakers from his shoulders. Good boxing mechanics already have shoulders included in the motion, without comitting to the punch. And their footwork keeps them out of harms way. In and out and creating angles make it hard to find opportunities for a takedown. And given the the tight elbows, and low comittment to each punch, they should have a better chance of sprawing than your brawler.

    Kermit Cintron would be a great crossover imo. Elite boxing with takedown defense would be something most fighters would not be able to deal with. And the key is their footwork. Jay Hieron is one of the best wrestlers to possess real boxing. Edgar, Massenzio, and Maynard have shown to make some great improvements in this area toward being real boxers.

    Sprawling? What's that, says the boxer..
    Lets go Brent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Oliverbush View Post
    Sprawling? What's that, says the boxer..
    Hey, you are the one who used Hendo as an example. And he knows what a sprawl is. Kermit Cintron wrestled in Gettysburg Pa, I believe. I know he could still sprawl.
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    leglace, Hendo is not a boxer but he commits to striking and as a result, he gets taken down significantly more than other wrestlers with his type of wrestling experience. I said the better the boxer, the more likely he is to be taken down because of the level of commitment to the striking. Citron also has a wrestling background, so while the same applies to him, he would obviously be one of the more difficult boxers to take down. Get a guy like Toney and he's toast.
    Lets go Brent!

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