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    Talk about sour grapes! Not long after defeating Diego Sanchez in what was one of the most one-sided fights of all time, BJ Penn's camp is back at it again, throwing accusations at Georges St. Pierre.

    Rudy Valentino who is Penn's trainer was recently a guest on Sport's Illustrated's Gross Pointe Blank , hosted by none other than Josh Gross.

    It was an interesting interview as they discussed Penn's plan to dominate the lightweight division, before eventually trying his hand as a welterweight sometime in 2010.

    Then it got ugly as Valentino decided to throw a few jabs at GSP. He once again brought up the alleged use of steroids by St. Pierre.

    He claimed that "certain people" that used to train alongside the UFC welterweight had told Penn's camp that GSP knows what he is doing and when to cycle on and off the performance enhancing drugs.

    He went on to say that BJ has felt all along that the fight was unfair and that he wants this monkey off of his back.

    So when the greasing allegations got you nowhere, it is time to resort to accusations of steroid use, even though there has never been any proof or anyone willing to corroborate your story?

    BJ took a beating that nobody ever saw coming. BJ ran his mouth before the fight and he got his a** handed to him. Be a man and accept it already.

    What's it been? Just about*eleven months actually. Do the fans have to be subjected to this garbage any longer?

    Penn is a great fighter, one of the best in the world, but he got beat by a bigger, stronger, more evolved fighter that night. It happens to the best of them.

    He just seems to never get over things. From suing the UFC for stripping him of the welterweight title after refusing to defend the title and signing with K-1.

    He took the greasing scandal way too far, vowing never to fight in the state of Nevada again after the Nevada State Athletic Commission refused to overturn the result of the fight.

    He asked the NSAC to fine GSP's cornermen Greg Jackson, who is respected throughout the MMA community, and Phil Nurse $250,000. He also asked that they be suspended.

    Thankfully the NSAC refused to suspend either man or suspend GSP's license.

    He has taken this too far, why can't he enjoy the fruits of his labor, which are plentiful.

    He has taken down two of the top lightweights in the world in succession, without even breaking a sweat.

    It's time for Penn to let his fighting do his bidding, after all it's what got him where he is thus far.

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    He once again brought up the alleged use of steroids by St. Pierre.

    He claimed that "certain people" that used to train alongside the UFC welterweight had told Penn's camp that GSP knows what he is doing and when to cycle on and off the performance enhancing drugs.
    I assume BJ is one of the few guys not doing it since he gets all over others for doing it (Sherk, GSP).

    I love that Penn wants to fight him, but his last fight against him was boring after beating on GSP for the 1st round of their first fight and not really getting hurt in the 1st fight.

    If he didn't train hard (as some are saying), he screwed himself. Of course, GSP doesn't exactly have a lot of challenges at this point, but if he can take Penn down like he did last time, I don't see how this fight will be any different.
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    “I think it’s because of his so-called steroid use, and all of that, that B.J. felt it was an unfair fight. Just the whole thing about not being fair, and fighting fair, you know. That’s what B.J. wants to get off of his back; The greasing stuff, the steroids, and all of that.

    “We heard from certain people that used to train with him, telling us what he did in the past. That’s why, we had a heads up on that. When you cycle steroids, you’re not going to to test positive. You can cycle it right up to the time of the fight and not test positive on that. That’s what we suspected he did in this fight.”
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    Penn wants to get brutally beat until he is forced to quit again that is his fine as he is entitled to his own feelings. Of course he should not be granted another title shot at 170 until be beats other top ranked 170 lbers.

    He is 0-3 in his lat three 170 so maybe they can start off him slow against guys like goulet, baroni, or rick story. If he gets past them he can go against a fitch, koscheck or alves.

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    Default Re: Enough is Enough: It's Time for BJ Penn To Get Over GSP

    Quote Originally Posted by p-jersey View Post
    Penn wants to get brutally beat until he is forced to quit again that is his fine as he is entitled to his own feelings. Of course he should not be granted another title shot at 170 until be beats other top ranked 170 lbers.

    He is 0-3 in his lat three 170 so maybe they can start off him slow against guys like goulet, baroni, or rick story. If he gets past them he can go against a fitch, koscheck or alves.
    LOL - Goulet. He doesn't need to start that low.

    His first fight with GSP was probably a win by Pride rules; he hurt GSP in the first and GSP mainly just did a lnp for the next 2 rounds, too worried about Penn's submission skills.

    But the 2nd fight between these 2 doesn't leave me wanting a 3rd. GSP would take him down and hold him down. I think he'd beat all the other 170 pounders though.
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    GSP outstruck penn in the second fight and also passed his guard repeatedly and concussed penn with gnp so much more than lnp. Come on claudale stop letting your hate for gsp show through.

    GSP played it safe the first fight and relied on his wrestling to win, his skills clearly advanced by the time they fought again combine that with his size advantage and it is just a terrible mismatch.

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    Let BJ fight some other welterweights, prove himself worthy to fight GSP again, and then let the two fight once again. It seeems that UFC is good at giving the "rematch" a likely go. Everyone seems to fight eachother 5 times before enough is enough.
    Why would a third bout be so bad. BJ is a little crazy, GSP has no one else to fight and the UFC knows even though these two have fought twice before, people will pay to see it. At least I would pay over some of the near future cards coming. I would actually like to see it for the "what if" factor. No one has ever held two belts at one time?????

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    He was dominated by GSP. He will be dominated again.
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    Default Re: Enough is Enough: It's Time for BJ Penn To Get Over GSP

    Quote Originally Posted by p-jersey View Post
    GSP outstruck penn in the second fight and also passed his guard repeatedly and concussed penn with gnp so much more than lnp. Come on claudale stop letting your hate for gsp show through.

    GSP played it safe the first fight and relied on his wrestling to win, his skills clearly advanced by the time they fought again combine that with his size advantage and it is just a terrible mismatch.
    PJ, take it easy. I think you are made that I added additional quotes where someone accused GSP of roiding. If you can get Adolf to agree that GSP is the one clean guy in the sport, I'll listen to Adolf.

    He was more active in the second fight, clearly. The LNP comments mainly refers to his win in the first fight where he admitted he was both hurt and scared.

    I believe the first time against Penn and Serra, he decided not to take them down fearing they could catch him in something. And both of them hurt him early. But now I believe he's going to take anyone down and will be that much harder to beat.

    If Penn could stop his takedown, it would be a really interesting fight and I think Penn would win. You can't blame someone for wanting to fight the best guy a weight up, but the 2nd fight was his real opportunity. But if you think that he almost won the 1st fight (did more damage), then you could look at this as the rubber match
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